First round PacMate was worse!!! David Tanner Rehabilitation Program Specialist 3 Assistive Technology Specialist Assistive Technology Department MN State Services f/t Blind Office- 651-642-0795 Cell- 651-270-2233 Skype name: dtat100 >>> richard@xxxxxxxxxxxx 4/17/2008 7:56 AM >>> Amen! I've seen no higher failure rate with these units than the first round of Pac Mates, or BrailleNotes. And those units don't hold a candle to what this one can do. Richard -----Original Message----- From: icon-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:icon-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Rita L. harrison Sent: Thursday, April 17, 2008 2:46 AM To: icon-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [icon-discuss] Re: Question about the noise level of the keys I find it interesting to see all of the complaints going back and forth on this list, concerning the BP. Yes, there are bugs in the unit, as there are with any new product. However, where have we seen anything close to what we all have been asking for as Blind and Visually Impaired individuals... To have access to email, music, books, a recorder, a Braille Notetaker, the internet, and much more, with the portability at the fraction of the cost of a Braille Note Taker... I find the keyboard layout to be easier to work with, than I originally thought, when I first received the BP. As any new device, you can adjust with time and practice. When there is Braille support, this, in my mind, will be the "perfect" package. I would personally like to take this opportunity to thank the folks who are working to make this device, the product that we have all been asking for, for many years. I greatly appreciate this awesome technology, and I do hope that the people in the positions of making decisions on buying this product for clients, don't deny others from receiving this great tool, because of their own personal view points. To withhold advancements in technology would be unfortunate and very disappointing... -----Original Message----- From: icon-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:icon-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of David Tanner Sent: Wednesday, April 16, 2008 11:33 PM To: icon-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx; richard@xxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [icon-discuss] Re: Question about the noise level of the keys I don't think that the sound is as critical as it is that the design and materials of the Braille keys needs a huge change. It is not possible to type on the Braille Plus nearly as quickly or accurately as on most Braille keyboards. And, I don't know what the Braille keys now are exactly like, but the Braille keys on the unit that I have are mushey, wobbely, and both feel and sound cheap and poorly made. I don't think I have seen as poor quality Braille keys on any other Braille device in a long time. And, I cannot believe that this keyboard is going to hold up very well, and is not designed in such a way to make it possible to type very fast when; as has been said before on this list; if you don't press in just the right place the keys won't register correctly or at all. I had my Braille Plus less than three weeks and had to send it back to APH to have the keyboard adjusted, and it really needed more, but I didn't want to wait an additional 3 weeks to a month for it to go to Colorado to get that done. The bottom line is that the material used to make the keys on the Braille keyboard need to be changed, and something about how the keyboard is designed needs changed. Since I don't know what they are doing below the surface of the unit. The problem is that the current design is not any place close to what it should be when you consider how many people type on a Braille keyboard because of their habits formed back when they were using a Perkins Braillewriter. David Tanner Rehabilitation Program Specialist 3 Assistive Technology Specialist Assistive Technology Department MN State Services f/t Blind Office- 651-642-0795 Cell- 651-270-2233 Skype name: dtat100 >>> richard@xxxxxxxxxxxx 4/16/2008 9:24 PM >>> Hi, It isn't any louder than a standard keyboard. At least, none of the keyboards I've used. And, as someone else pointed out, the ADA would not allow someone to be that picky. I took notes on a slate and stylus all the way through a Masters program and not one professor complained about the noise and the clicking of a slate and stylus is way more annoying than the keys on the Braille Plus. So, go order it and use the 30 day return policy to find all this out for yourself. You won't be sorry you did. Richard _____ From: icon-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:icon-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Rob Lambert Sent: Wednesday, April 16, 2008 6:40 PM To: icon-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [icon-discuss] Re: Question about the noise level of the keys Understand that I have not actually seen the unit myself, but I remember having a professor who forbade laptops (except for me because I was a special case) because she thought the keyboard was too noisy - she hated the "click click click" sound. Essentailly I didn't want a set of keys that would be so loud that they'd annoy a teacher while a student was trying to take notes from a lecture situation. _____ From: ljgehres@xxxxxxxxxxxxx To: icon-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [icon-discuss] Re: Question about the noise level of the keys Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2008 16:38:34 -0700 Hmm, I must be unique as I think the Braille+ keys are quiet, especially compared with the Braille 'n Speak. ----- Original Message ----- From: Rob Lambert <mailto:rml695@xxxxxxxxxxx> To: icon-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent: Wednesday, April 16, 2008 3:41 PM Subject: [icon-discuss] Question about the noise level of the keys I was curious. Several people on the list noted that the keys on the Braille Plus are noisy, both the rubber and plastic keys. Is the noise level the same on the Icon or is it quieter? _____ Use video conversation to talk face-to-face with Windows Live Messenger. 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