Arpad, Your rewrite does not change the intent, and I agree with it. Walter From: ibis-macro-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:ibis-macro-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Muranyi, Arpad Sent: Thursday, March 24, 2011 2:04 PM To: IBIS-ATM Subject: [ibis-macro] Re: Updated Out/InOut BIRD Walter, I changed the subject so that we can have two independent threads on these two proposals. In this one I will comment on the Out/InOut BIRD draft you wrote. The 1st sentence of the 1st paragraph is a little misleading. It could be interpreted like: in some cases the Init and GetWave functions will not return anything in either of the two AMI_parameters_out strings. Reading the 2nd sentence it seems that what you are trying to say is that the returned parameters may not all appear in one of the two AMI_parameters_out strings, in other words there is a possibility that some of the returned parameters may come out in the Init function's "out" string, and some may come out in the GetWave function's "out" string. The thoughts captured in the 2nd sentence of the 2nd paragraph are repeated in the 4th paragraph, so I would remove one or the other. The 3rd paragraph talks about Reserved Parameters, correct? If so, I don't think it should be here at all, since the spec will describe each reserved parameter individually (or collectively in the area where they are described). So based on all these observations, I would suggest the following text in place of the four paragraphs you wrote: "Algorithmic models may return (Usage Out) or (Usage InOut) parameters in the AMI_parameters_out argument of either the AMI_Init, or the AMI_GetWave functions, or both. Each reserved parameter is described by the specification in detail so that the model writer and the EDA tool knows which function's AMI_parameters_out argument has to return any given parameter, what the meaning and format of the parameter is and how the EDA tool is expected to handle it. The meaning of Model_Specific parameters cannot be defined in a similar manner by the specification. However, EDA tool vendors are encouraged to record the information returned by Model_Specific parameters of (Usage Out) or (Usage InOut) and provide mechanisms for the user to display it in various ways." I hope I didn't change your intensions with this text. Thanks, Arpad ============================================================ From: ibis-macro-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:ibis-macro-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Walter Katz Sent: Thursday, March 24, 2011 11:56 AM To: IBIS-ATM Subject: [ibis-macro] Updated Table and Out_InOut BIRDs All, I am enclosing updated versions of the Table and Out_InOut BIRDs, thanks to Arpad Muranyi and Mike Steinberger for their comments. Walter Walter Katz wkatz@xxxxxxxxxx Phone 303.449-2308 Mobile 720.333-1107