All,
I have no problem increasing it 512 or 1024. We have modern text editors
that allow us to view these wide files.
I would not want it to be unlimited.
Walter
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Subject: [ibis-macro] Re: Relaxing restrictions on file names
Bob Ross asked why not go beyond 512, and Bob Miller’s point about
Executable lines potentially being quite long suggests to me that 1024 might
be warranted.
For what it’s worth, it appears IBISCHK6 has will have no trouble dealing
with any length we specify. The main parse function reads character by
character into a dynamic buffer and has no hardcoded limit at all. And
IBIS_LINE_MAX is defined and used carefully in the few places where line
buffers are used.
Mike
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Subject: [ibis-macro] Re: Relaxing restrictions on file names
Hi Walter-
As a model maker, I have railed against the 40/128 file/line restrictions
causing me to unnecessarily abridge/revise/confuse model names and
trace-ability to netlists/designs/revisions/etc. 80/256 would greatly
alleviate these problems. Note that the line usage in the [Executable] line
includes two copies of the model name string (.dll/.so and .ami) PLUS the
compiler/OS string, which can be longer than one might casually imagine.
As to case, I never rely on case to distinguish two files, but would like to
have upper case not explicitly disallowed. I'm a big boy; I can protect
myself (and my customers) from myself.
Regards,
Bob
On Tue, Oct 25, 2016 at 3:19 PM, Walter Katz <wkatz@xxxxxxxxxx
<mailto:wkatz@xxxxxxxxxx> > wrote:
All,
Currently IBIS says:
3. To facilitate portability between operating systems, file names used in
a .ibs file must only have lower case characters. File names should have a
basename of no more than forty (40) characters followed by a period (“.”),
followed by a file name extension of no more than three characters. The
file name and extension must use characters from the set (space, “ ”, 0x20
is not included):
a b c d e f g h i j k l m n o p q r s t u v w x y z
0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 _ ^ $ ~ ! # % & - { } ) ( @ ‘ `
The file name and extension are recommended to be lower case on systems that
support such names.
I would like to submit a BIRD that changes this to:
3. File names should be no more than eighty (80) characters. The file name
must use characters from the following set(space, “ ”, 0x20 is not
included): (Should this be increased to 128 characters and also increase to
the length of IBIS lines to 256 characters.)
a b c d e f g h i j k l m n o p q r s t u v w x y z
A B C D E F G H I J K L M N O P Q R S T U V W X Y Z
0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 _ ^ $ ~ ! # % & - { } ) ( @ ‘ ` . /
Note that files names in the Windows operating system are case insensitive
and case preserving (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Case_preservation), while
file names in Linux operating systems are case sensitive. File names in IBIS
files should be case sensitive so that the IBIS file and the files it
references will work properly on both Windows and Linux operating systems.
The “/” character is used to delineate folders in a file name. The character
sequences “..” and “//” are not permitted. The first and last character of a
file name shall not be “/”.The EDA tool is responsible for making any
operating system-specific adjustments (for example, replacing forward
slashes "/" with backslashes "\") if necessary.
The characters after the last “.” are considered the file name extension.
There are places in this document that specify the file name extension for
specific files types (e.g. .ibs, .pkg, and .ami). These extensions are case
sensitive.
In IBIS 6.1, IBIS files are in the same directory, and IBIS “files” were
described as having a base name and an extent. As a result of this change,
“file” shall mean the file name, including the full path relative to the
directory containing the .ibs file (or .ebd file). A file may also be a
directory (or folder).
Note that this relaxes almost all rules on file names. The space character
remains an illegal file name character. When an IBIS file is delivered all
supporting files shall either be in the same directory as the IBIS file, or
in folders below this directory. Absolute files names (e.g. that begin with
// or C:) are not permitted. One reason for allowing paths in IBIS file
names is that IBIS AMI modeling, and Interconnect Modeling may result in a
large number of supporting files. Users and EDA tools may choose to move
these supporting files into other directories, and these files may be put on
a tool specific search path or adding symbolic links to file names. The IBIS
parser should have the option to report such non-standard file names as
either errors, warnings or allowed.
I looked at all occurrences of the string “file”. I made some changes that
reflect some existing rules (like a file can end in a “.”. I believe that no
other changes are required, although we could remove the following redundant
statement that occurs in multiple locations in the document.
Furthermore, lower-case file_name entries are recommended to avoid possible
conflicts with file naming conventions under different operating systems.
Case differences between otherwise identical file_name entries or
circuit_name entries should be avoided. External languages may not support
case-sensitive distinctions.
Walter
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