[ibis-macro] Minutes from the 8 Apr 2008 ibis-atm meeting
- From: "Mike LaBonte (milabont)" <milabont@xxxxxxxxx>
- To: "IBIS-ATM" <ibis-macro@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2008 10:47:22 -0400
Minutes from the 8 Apr 2008 ibis-atm meeting are attached. ARs:
AR: Walter update BIRD 107 based on feedback, coordinate with EDA
vendors
My laptop crashed during the meeting, and I had to switch to ... paper.
Attendees please let me know if I missed anything while digging paper
out of my recycle bin and testing pens to find one that still works.
Mike
IBIS Macromodel Task Group
Meeting date: 08 Apr 2008
Members (asterisk for those attending):
* Ambrish Varma, Cadence Design Systems
* Arpad Muranyi, Mentor Graphics Corp.
Barry Katz, SiSoft
* Bob Ross, Teraspeed Consulting Group
Brad Griffin, Cadence Design Systems
David Banas, Xilinx
Donald Telian, consultant
Doug White, Cisco Systems
Essaid Bensoudane, ST Microelectronics
Ganesh Narayanaswamy, ST Micro
G*** Guan, Sigrity
Hemant Shah, Cadence Design Systems
Ian Dodd
Joe Abler, IBM
* John Angulo, Mentor Graphics
John Shields, Mentor Graphics
Ken Willis, Cadence Design Systems
Kumar, Cadence Design Systems
Lance Wang, Cadence Design Systems
Luis Boluna, Cisco
* Michael Mirmak, Intel Corp.
* Mike LaBonte, Cisco Systems
Mike Steinberger, SiSoft
Mustansir Fanaswalla, Xilinx
Patrick O'Halloran, Tiburon Design Automation
Paul Fernando, NCSU
Radek Biernacki, Agilent (EESof)
Randy Wolff, Micron Technology
Ray Comeau, Cadence Design Systems
Richard Mellitz, Intel
Richard Ward, Texas Instruments
Sam Chitwood, Sigrity
Sanjeev Gupta, Agilent
Shangli Wu, Cadence
* Sid Singh, Extreme Networks
Stephen Scearce, Cisco Systems
Steve Pytel, Ansoft
Syed Huq, Cisco Systems
Syed Sadeghi, ST Micro
* Terry Jernberg, Cadence Design Systems
* Todd Westerhoff, SiSoft
Vikas Gupta, Xilinx
Vuk Borich, Agilent
* Walter Katz, SiSoft
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Call for patent disclosure:
- No one declared a patent.
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Opens:
None.
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Review of ARs:
- Cadence and SiSoft BIRDify the Use_Init_Output param proposal
- Done
- Todd send presentation to Mike L.
- Done
- Mike L: post Todd's IBIS-ATM BIRD Update presentation to web
- Done
- David Banas report Xilinx position on LTI assumption for SerDes
- No update
- Arpad: Write parameter passing syntax proposal (BIRD draft)
for *-AMS models in IBIS that is consistent with the
parameter passing syntax of the AMI models
- TBD
- TBD: Propose a parameter passing syntax for the SPICE
- [External ...] also?
- TBD
- Arpad: Review the documentation (annotation) in the macro libraries.
- Deferred until a demand arises or we have nothing else to do
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New Discussion:
Walter showed a presentatation on BIRD 104.1:
- Slide 3:
- AMI_Init() is required to call AMI_Getwave(), because AMI_Getwave()
is passed private data from AMI_Init()
- Slide 6:
- Michael M & Arpad: Should the output of RX Init say "With TX(EQ) and
RX(EQ)"?
- No, without Getwave the RX(EQ) is not known.
- This comes from IBM:
- RX Init must not modify it's impulse response.
- Opens the door for different results time domain vs. freq domain
- Todd: there is a parameter to say if the impulse response is modified:
- Init_Returns_Impulse
- Arpad: Output of TX Init is discarded?
- No, it sets initial conditions for Getwave (tap coefficients, for example)
- Helps to reduce number of bits needed to converge
- Slide 7:
- Change RX(Peaking) to RX(LTI Filter)
- Customer-driven arrangement
- Todd: Output of RX Init is at the decision point
- Change title to "RX Init does LTI Filter, RX Getwave does Non-LTI Filter"
- Slide 9:
- We need to have parameters to cover all possible use of the "structure"
- Users will eventually require them
- Arpad: specs should not define usage models
- Walter: the software has to know what the inputs are
- Walter: It is a mistake to include RX Filter in Getwave, but some will do it
- Using params will allow these "non-obvious" uses without trouble.
- Bob: This will be introduced as a new BIRD
- The IBIS Open Forum should wait to include BIRD 107 in 5.0
- The 5.0 time frame is 2-3 more meetings
- BIRD 107.1 is scheduled for a vote at the Apr 25 meeting (unannounced)
- It may be 107.2 that is voted on
- BIRDs must wait at least 2 weeks after submission to be voted.
- The BIRD will be cleaned up and reviewed for next ATM meeting
- SiSoft will coordinate with Cadence and Mentor
- If it can be submitted this Friday, do it
- We might continue the interconnect discussion next meeting if so
AR: Walter update BIRD 107 based on feedback, coordinate with EDA vendors
Next meeting: 15 April 2007 12:00pm PT
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