[ibis-macro] Re: Minutes from the 26 Mar 2013 ibis-atm meeting
- From: Mike LaBonte <mike@xxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: Ambrish Varma <ambrishv@xxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2013 20:13:13 -0400
Thanks Ambrish,
I have updated the minutes online and attached them here. Since we do
not have a regular process of approving minutes, everyone should feel
free to send comments on them any time. Listening while typing is not
really my specialty :-)
Mike
On Tue, Mar 26, 2013 at 8:02 PM, Ambrish Varma <ambrishv@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> Hi Mike,
> The minutes are slightly misrepresenting in the following section:
> ....
> - Ambrish: We have discussed BIRD 122 quite a bit, it could be approved
> - Walter: I changed my mind, it adds complication for IC vendors
> .....
>
> Should be:
> - Ambrish: We have discussed BIRD 122 quite a bit, and Walter had agreed to
> withdraw it once the Analog BIRDs are approved. Why do we now see offshoots
> of that BIRD?
> Walter said something like:
> - Walter: I changed my mind, I want them now considering the complications of
> the Analog BIRDs
> (Walter correct me if I am wrong)
>
> Thanks,
> Ambrish.
>
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> Minutes from the 26 Mar 2013 ibis-atm meeting are attached.
>
> Mike
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IBIS Macromodel Task Group
Meeting date: 26 Mar 2013
Members (asterisk for those attending):
Agilent: * Fangyi Rao
* Radek Biernacki
Altera: David Banas
Julia Liu
Hazlina Ramly
Andrew Joy Consulting: Andy Joy
ANSYS: Samuel Mertens
* Dan Dvorscak
* Curtis Clark
Steve Pytel
Luis Armenta
Arrow Electronics: Ian Dodd
Cadence Design Systems: Terry Jernberg
* Ambrish Varma
Feras Al-Hawari
Brad Brim
Kumar Keshavan
Ken Willis
Cavium Networks: Johann Nittmann
Celsionix: Kellee Crisafulli
Cisco Systems: Ashwin Vasudevan
Syed Huq
Ericsson: Anders Ekholm
IBM: Greg Edlund
Intel: * Michael Mirmak
Maxim Integrated Products: Mahbubul Bari
Hassan Raghat
Ron Olisar
Mentor Graphics: * John Angulo
Zhen Mu
* Arpad Muranyi
Vladimir Dmitriev-Zdorov
Micron Technology: Randy Wolff
Justin Butterfield
NetLogic Microsystems: Ryan Couts
Nokia-Siemens Networks: Eckhard Lenski
QLogic Corp. James Zhou
SiSoft: * Walter Katz
Todd Westerhoff
Doug Burns
* Mike LaBonte
Snowbush IP: Marcus Van Ierssel
ST Micro: Syed Sadeghi
Teraspeed Consulting Group: Scott McMorrow
* Bob Ross
TI: Casey Morrison
Alfred Chong
Vitesse Semiconductor: Eric Sweetman
Xilinx: Mustansir Fanaswalla
Ray Anderson
The meeting was led by Arpad Muranyi
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Opens:
- None
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Call for patent disclosure:
- None
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Review of ARs:
- Arpad submit a BIRD combining BIRDs 116-118,129
- Done, submitted to open forum BIRD 160
- Arpad try to apply BIRD 158 shortcut language to his BIRDs 116-118
- In progress
- Walter write new BIRD for repeater/retimer pin keywords
- In progress
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New Discussion:
Interconnect report:
- MM: There was a meeting last week
- The discussion was about EMD
- This is not finished, a draft is available
- Minutes have been posted except for last week
Priorities:
- Walter: We should discuss BIRD prioritization
- We should focus on repeaters/retimers and the labels BIRD first
- Arpad: We have considerable work to finish the redriver/repeater BIRDs
- BIRD 160 should be easier to finish
- Walter: I agree with Fangyi's redriver BIRD
- BIRDs 131 and 156 should be simple
- BIRDs 116-118, now 160 could have problems
- EDA vendors need to implement some of these BIRDs for evaluation
- Repeaters and redrivers are proven, the models exist
- Those should go into IBIS 6.0
- [External Model] and back-channel BIRDs will require more debate
- Bob: You have implemented 116-118?
- Walter: Yes, in development code
- Ambrish: We should be able to work on them in parallel
- Walter: There have been no example models for BIRDs 116-118 using IBIS-ISS
- Arpad: BIRD 158 should work
- Walter: I would prefer BIRD 160, but we have no example IBIS files
- Michael M: It is hard to vote on prioritization, we might use approval voting
- Bob: We should first vote whether to include analog in 6.0
- Or to delay the release schedule
- If we want the analog BIRDs they should be reviewed thoroughly and
simplified
- Walter showed a spreadsheet of open BIRDs
- Walter: We agreed to reject 159 and 144
- Ambrish: Agree, but 145 should be still on the table
- Walter: We should table 145, 122, and 125, and see what the interconnect
group does
- BIRDs 156 and 154 should go in 6.0
- "RC1" "release candidate" BIRDs are controversial
- They need to be tested with real models
- SiSoft will help
- Agree with Bob that the big debate is with analog modeling
- Arpad: Is 162 an override of 156?
- Walter: It adds jitter parameters to the redriver BIRD
- I would like to discuss combining them with Fangyi
- Arpad: We should discuss BIRD 160
- Walter: I could prepare something to discuss labels
- Walter motioned have to repeaters/retimers and labels in IBIS 6.0
- Bob: It would be "considered for inclusion"
- Radek: I agree, but we should focus on what we have on the table
- If the analog BIRDs can't go in 6.0 we should consider 5.2
- Michael M: We have BIRDs that have been tabled since 2010
- Ambrish: Agree we should have analog BIRDs next
- Radek: We also need to discuss impulse response
- Arpad: We have no BIRD for that yet
- There was no second to the motion
- Arpad: What is the spec numbering plan?
- Michael M: 5.2 would have been a cleanup
- 6.0 is a major release, would require charging for a new parser
- Bob: There is a complication regarding parser development
- Ambrish: What is BIRD 161 on the list shown?
- Walter: It is a planned BIRD on shortcuts
- Arpad: What is the difference between 6.0 and RC1?
- Walter: RC1 means vendors have implemented in advance for testing
- Ambrish: We have discussed BIRD 122 quite a bit
- Walter had agreed to withdraw it once the Analog BIRDs are approved.
- Why do we now see offshoots of that BIRD?
- Walter: I changed my mind, I want them now considering the complications
of the Analog BIRDs
- Arpad: We should reject 122 in favor of 158
- Ambrish: And 161 would be on the table too
- Arpad: BIRD 122 could be considered superseded by 158
- Walter made that change
- Michael M: What do we do with this list?
- Walter: We could ask to have some BIRDs rejected
- Arpad motioned to recommend rejection of the BIRDs at open forum
- Radek seconded
- There was no objection
- AR: Walter send BIRD priority spreadsheet to Mike for posting
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Next meeting: 02 Apr 2013 12:00pm PT
Next agenda:
1) Task list item discussions
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IBIS Interconnect SPICE Wish List:
1) Simulator directives
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