[ibis-macro] Re: Let me clarify the benifit of getting rid of Use_Init_Output along with Digital Input to Tx GetWave
- From: "Muranyi, Arpad" <Arpad_Muranyi@xxxxxxxxxx>
- To: <ibis-macro@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Thu, 8 Oct 2009 14:22:34 -0700
Yes, that's how you can position the exact location
for the zero crossing to add jitter or DCD in finer
resolution than the sampling time.
Arpad
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Subject: [ibis-macro] Re: Let me clarify the benifit of getting rid of
Use_Init_Output along with Digital Input to Tx GetWave
Hi, Walter;
I understand that the digital input swings between -0.5 and 0.5. Is the
waveform allowed to have values between -0.5 and 0.5 during transition?
Thanks,
Fangyi
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[mailto:ibis-macro-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Walter Katz
Sent: Tuesday, October 06, 2009 1:48 PM
To: Ambrish Varma; IBIS-ATM
Subject: [ibis-macro] Let me clarify the benifit of getting rid of
Use_Init_Output along with Digital Input to Tx GetWave
Ambrish,
We have proven that the "Digital Input" to Tx GetWave is required.
The whole concept of Use_Init_Output was introduced because Kumar and
Cadence rejected requiring the model to implement the convolution of the
impulse response of the Rx linear filter in the Rx GetWave. Kumar
repeated his objection to doing this convolution in a recent IBIS-ATM
meeting.
If Use_Init_Output is True then the flow of using an externally
generated waveform (e.g. Spice simulation) as input to the Rx GetWave is
broken. It breaks the flow because the EDA tool is required to convolve
the output of the Rx Init with the input to Rx GetWave. The input to Rx
GetWave already contains the loss of the channel, so does the output of
Rx Init.
The argument that model writers are not capable to do this simple
convolution is condescending to say the least.
I would expect anyone who is capable of writing a model is capable of
implement the code described in
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Overlap-save_method
(Overlap-save algorithm for linear convolution)
H = FFT(h,N)
i = 1
while i <= Nx
il = min(i+N-1,Nx)
yt = IFFT( FFT(x(i:il),N) * H, N)
y(i : i+N-M) = yt(M : N)
i = i+N-M+1
end
So if we get rid of Use_Init_Output, we do not need Init_Returns_Filter
(although SiSoft will be generating models with this as a Model Specific
Parameter, even if it does not become a Reserved Parameter).
I have already spent many man months of effort on Analog Input to Tx
GetWave, and Use_Init_Output, and frankly I do not want to spend any
more time on it.
Walter
Walter Katz
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