Ambrish, To answer your first question, "-1" is the parameter name. However, "ffe" is the name of the branch that contains this sub branch, therefore the whole thing will have to be passed to the DLL in the AMI_parameters_in string. The second question is not allowed, and I added words to this version of the BIRD draft to spell that out. Thanks, Arpad =============================================================== -----Original Message----- From: ibis-macro-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:ibis-macro-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Walter Katz Sent: Tuesday, January 11, 2011 1:33 PM To: ambrishv@xxxxxxxxxxx; 'IBIS-ATM' Subject: [ibis-macro] Re: IBIS-ATM teleconference - Agenda for 1/11/2011 Ambrish, (root(ffe(-1 is an AMI parameter as it would be passed into the parameters_in string The second case of multiple parameters with the same name should be illegal. Walter -----Original Message----- From: ibis-macro-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:ibis-macro-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Ambrish Varma Sent: Tuesday, January 11, 2011 2:28 PM To: IBIS-ATM Subject: [ibis-macro] Re: IBIS-ATM teleconference - Agenda for 1/11/2011 Hi Arpad, Thanks for posting this draft. I have a couple of quick questions about some of the text on page 4 where you say: |* A branch in the .ami file is an "AMI Parameter" if it |* contains the leaves Type, Usage, and any of the following |* leaves: So in this example: (Model_Specific (ffe (Description "FFE taps") (-1 (Usage In) (Type Float) (Value 0.0) (Description "precursor")) (0 (Usage In) (Type Float) (Value 1.0) (Description "main cursor")) (1 (Usage In) (Type Float) (Value 0.0) (Description "post-cursor")) ) ) is ffe an AMI Parameter or is -1 an AMI parameter? Also - down the page it is mentioned: |* and does not contain another branch. Multiple leaves |* containing the same reserved word are not allowed within an |* AMI Parameter branch. But what about multiple sub-branches having the same name? For example: (Model_Specific (Main_Param (Param1 (Usage In) (Type Float) (Value 0.0)) (Param1 (Usage In) (Type Float) (Value 1.0)) (Param1 (Usage In) (Type Float) (Value 0.0)) ) ) I recently saw this in an .ami file. We can talk about this during the ATM teleconference call if you want. Thanks, Ambrish. Ambrish Varma | Member of Consulting Staff P: 978.262.6431 www.cadence.com -----Original Message----- From: ibis-macro-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:ibis-macro-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Muranyi, Arpad Sent: Tuesday, January 11, 2011 12:24 PM To: IBIS-ATM Subject: [ibis-macro] Re: IBIS-ATM teleconference - Agenda for 1/11/2011 Pressed the Send button instead of the Attach button... Sorry, Arpad ========================================================= -----Original Message----- From: Muranyi, Arpad Sent: Tuesday, January 11, 2011 11:23 AM To: IBIS-ATM Subject: RE: [ibis-macro] IBIS-ATM teleconference - Agenda for 1/11/2011 Attaching new version of Typos BIRD draft to be discussed in today's meeting. Arpad =========================================== -----Original Message----- From: ibis-macro-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:ibis-macro-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Muranyi, Arpad Sent: Tuesday, January 11, 2011 11:22 AM To: IBIS-ATM Subject: [ibis-macro] IBIS-ATM teleconference - Agenda for 1/11/2011 Time: January 11, 2011 Noon US Pacific Time ===== Audio: ====== Voice dial-in: (800) 637-5822 International: +1 (647) 723-3937 <--- (For Canada) 0114501530 <--- (For Sweden) 0201400572 <--- (For Sweden Toll Free) 069509594672 <--- (For Germany) 08001014542 <--- (For Germany Toll free) Access Code: 685-0440 Web === Click Here to Join Live Meeting: http://tinyurl.com/yvmesj or: https://www.livemeeting.com/cc/sisoft/join?id=NKQQN3&role=attend&pw=TP8j %23-%25%7E5 Mentor Global Crossing Teleconference commands: http://www.globalcrossing.com/customer/collaboration/cust_ready_access_t ips.aspx FIRST TIME USERS: To save time before the meeting, check your system to make sure it is compatible with Microsoft Office Live Meeting. --------------------------------------------------------------------- Agenda ====== 1) Opens 2) Call for any related patent disclosures 3) Review of ARs: Arpad: Update the Typos BIRD draft according to the comments received - done Bob: Start email discussion on leaf/parameter name interchangeability - not done Arpad: Finish examples in BIRD 116-118 presentation - in progress Any AR-s? Old ARs: Arpad: Review the documentation (annotation) in the macro libraries. - deferred until a demand arises or we have nothing else to do 4) Typos_Format_Value_Default BIRD draft - added "(defined below)" for Default - added words to disallow duplicate leaves in the same branch - removed the "graceful" stuff - moved editorial notes on the bottom to background information 5) BIRD 116-118 - Arpad's analog model BIRDs 6a) BIRD 123 - jitter parameters 6b) BIRD 124 - dependency table Remaining Task List items: ========================== Row 18: What is the ambiguity between Format and Text Strings? - waiting for an answer Row 21: According to the BNF, the Format = Table syntax is invalid. - If Format is removed, this s not a problem, but if Format is there the problem still exists. Do we need to fix this? - we will address this when talking about Table Row 22: The syntax for a leaf is: (Row 22 in Task List) <leaf>: ( <parameter name> whitespace <value list> ) So in a Table which is written like this: (-50 -0.1 1e-35), -50 is actually a parameter name, i.e. a string, not a value. -deprecate Table back to List? - we will address this when talking about Table Row 23/24: Fix the two tables to reflect what is in the text - need someone to volunteer to write a BIRD - Bob agreed to do this after the Asian Summit Row 25: Define relationship between Type and Format - discuss Walter's suggestions - need someone to volunteer to write a BIRD Row 26: What is Row 26 all about? Is it the same as Row 47? - waiting for an answer Row 33: Is AMI_Init restricted to change first column of impulse_matrix only? - this needs to be discussed Row 35: Clarify questions about impulse response - this needs to be discussed Row 38: Clarify Fangyi's questions on Usage Row 46/47: Remove certain parameters and keywords - this needs to be discussed Thanks, Arpad ===================================================================== --------------------------------------------------------------------- IBIS Macro website : http://www.eda.org/pub/ibis/macromodel_wip/ IBIS Macro reflector: //www.freelists.org/list/ibis-macro To unsubscribe send an email: To: ibis-macro-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: unsubscribe --------------------------------------------------------------------- IBIS Macro website : http://www.eda.org/pub/ibis/macromodel_wip/ IBIS Macro reflector: //www.freelists.org/list/ibis-macro To unsubscribe send an email: To: ibis-macro-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: unsubscribe --------------------------------------------------------------------- IBIS Macro website : http://www.eda.org/pub/ibis/macromodel_wip/ IBIS Macro reflector: //www.freelists.org/list/ibis-macro To unsubscribe send an email: To: ibis-macro-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: unsubscribe --------------------------------------------------------------------- IBIS Macro website : http://www.eda.org/pub/ibis/macromodel_wip/ IBIS Macro reflector: //www.freelists.org/list/ibis-macro To unsubscribe send an email: To: ibis-macro-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: unsubscribe