[ibis-macro] Re: Comments on BIRD 123.2.2 from Mentor
- From: "Walter Katz" <wkatz@xxxxxxxxxx>
- To: "'Dmitriev-Zdorov, Vladimir'" <vladimir_dmitriev-zdorov@xxxxxxxxxx>, "'Muranyi, Arpad'" <Arpad_Muranyi@xxxxxxxxxx>, "'IBIS-ATM'" <ibis-macro@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2011 19:17:48 -0400 (EDT)
Vladimir,
We are planning to discuss the Jitter BIRD Tuesday. I think we can resolve
all of the questions at that time.
Walter
From: Dmitriev-Zdorov, Vladimir
[mailto:vladimir_dmitriev-zdorov@xxxxxxxxxx]
Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2011 3:35 PM
To: wkatz@xxxxxxxxxx; Muranyi, Arpad; 'IBIS-ATM'
Subject: RE: [ibis-macro] Re: Comments on BIRD 123.2.2 from Mentor
Walter,
After reading your comments, I'm more satisfied with the document.
Otherwise it's hard to understand some things.
Still, I have a few remaining suggestions, shown in a few additional
comments.
Vladimir
From: ibis-macro-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:ibis-macro-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Walter Katz
Sent: Tuesday, August 02, 2011 5:00 PM
To: Muranyi, Arpad; 'IBIS-ATM'
Subject: [ibis-macro] Re: Comments on BIRD 123.2.2 from Mentor
Arpad,
I am including my response to Vladimir's comments in the enclosed
document. I stand by my earlier statement that I believe the current
specification defines each parameter mathematically precisely and
indicates how the parameters are to be used in either the statistical or
time domain simulations. I would not object to adding additional words
would be helpful to explain the precise mathematical definitions with "C"
code or other standard statistical function definitions.
Walter
From: Muranyi, Arpad [mailto:Arpad_Muranyi@xxxxxxxxxx]
Sent: Tuesday, August 02, 2011 5:55 PM
To: Walter Katz; 'IBIS-ATM'
Subject: RE: [ibis-macro] Re: Comments on BIRD 123.2.2 from Mentor
Walter,
Did you look at the comments Vladimir inserted in the
attached Word document? I think addressing those would
be a good start in this discussion. But there are some
specifics even in the body of the email from Vladimir:
"The Bird does not seem to be logically complete (does not cover all
cases, such as Time domain and Statistical flow), or does not provide all
necessary parameters affecting the results (such as either giving
frequency content of Tx Gaussian jitter, or making it defined as white
uncorrelated jitter, etc.) "
Thanks,
Arpad
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From: Walter Katz [mailto:wkatz@xxxxxxxxxx]
Sent: Tuesday, August 02, 2011 4:45 PM
To: Muranyi, Arpad; 'IBIS-ATM'
Subject: RE: [ibis-macro] Re: Comments on BIRD 123.2.2 from Mentor
Arpad, Vladimir,
There was great effort to define each of the parameters in strict
mathematical terms. Please indicate specific parameters that the BIRD does
not either define mathematically precisely, or indicate how the parameters
are to be used in either the statistical or time domain simulations.
Walter
From: ibis-macro-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:ibis-macro-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Muranyi, Arpad
Sent: Tuesday, August 02, 2011 4:43 PM
To: IBIS-ATM
Subject: [ibis-macro] Re: Comments on BIRD 123.2.2 from Mentor
Walter,
Here is the email (with attachment) I mentioned in the
ATM meeting today. There was no response to it since
I posted it. I think it would be good to get some
discussion going on these questions/comments.
Thanks,
Arpad
From: ibis-macro-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:ibis-macro-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Muranyi, Arpad
Sent: Friday, July 01, 2011 11:53 AM
To: IBIS-ATM
Subject: [ibis-macro] Comments on BIRD 123.2.2 from Mentor
Walter and All,
I am forwarding Vladimir's comments on BIRD 123.2.2 to this
list for discussion. Please look at his comments which are
in the attached Word document. Since Vladimir is also on
this email list, please direct your answers, questions and
comments to him. (I don't want to be the middle man in such
conversations.).
The general problem is ambiguity of given definitions when it comes to
implementation in EDA tool.
The Bird does not seem to be logically complete (does not cover all cases,
such as Time domain and Statistical flow), or does not provide all
necessary parameters affecting the results (such as either giving
frequency content of Tx Gaussian jitter, or making it defined as white
uncorrelated jitter, etc.)
Thanks,
Arpad
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