Thanks for clarifying Arpad, Needless to say, we are ready and available to answer any question that anyone might have about the BIRD before next week's vote. Regards, Ambrish. Ambrish Varma | Member of Consulting Staff P: 978.262.6431 www.cadence.com -----Original Message----- From: ibis-macro-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:ibis-macro-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Muranyi, Arpad Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2012 6:17 PM To: IBIS-ATM Subject: [ibis-macro] Re: Calling for a vote on BIRD 144.3 in the ATM committee Ambrish, I was actually wondering about what the motion really was, but I checked in the minutes Curtis wrote and also with Walter, and I wrote the email based on Walter's private reply, and I distributed the email after I got Walter's OK on my wording. While I was thinking about the details of the motion I realized that no matter how we word the motion, it basically boils down to the same thing, because the reason we were discussing this BIRD in the ATM committee was because the Open Forum was looking for a recommendation from the ATM group. Stopping the discussion without making a recommendation therefore is not an option. So we can either vote to stop the discussions and make a recommendation to the Open Forum, or we can vote to keep the discussions going. This would correspond to a Yes or a No in the upcoming vote. The only open question is whether the recommendation to the Open Forum is in support of the BIRD or against it. Walter's suggestion (motion) seemed to recommend to reject it, but considering the loose ends in the BIRD, stopping any discussions now would pretty much have to mean rejection, because I don't think we want to be in favor of any BIRD that is not completely clean. If we want to make a positive recommendation to the Open Forum therefore means that we will have to clean up the BIRD, which is the equivalent of continuing with the discussions. Thanks, Arpad =============================================================== -----Original Message----- From: ibis-macro-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:ibis-macro-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Ambrish Varma Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2012 3:41 PM To: IBIS-ATM Subject: [ibis-macro] Re: Calling for a vote on BIRD 144.3 in the ATM committee Arpad, I am not sure if the motion was to 'end discussion and call for a vote' OR 'end discussion ... and to make a recommendation to the IBIS Open Forum to reject the BIRD' as you put it. Considering how ubiquitous s-parameters are becoming, we believe that there are merits with the proposal to directly instantiate s-parameter models from an IBIS file without going through the hassles of writing sub-circuits to do simple instantiations. Thanks, Ambrish. Ambrish Varma | Member of Consulting Staff P: 978.262.6431 www.cadence.com -----Original Message----- From: ibis-macro-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:ibis-macro-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Muranyi, Arpad Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2012 4:02 PM To: IBIS-ATM Subject: [ibis-macro] Calling for a vote on BIRD 144.3 in the ATM committee Hello Everyone, A formal motion was made in the ATM teleconference yesterday regarding the ongoing discussions on BIRD 144.3. The motion requested a vote to be made to end the discussions on BIRD 144.3 in the ATM teleconferences and to make a recommendation to the IBIS Open Forum to reject the BIRD. The attendees of the meeting decided to schedule the vote for the next ATM teleconference on Tuesday April 17 to give enough time for the participants to think about the subject and to make arrangements to attend the next meeting or cast their vote in a private email sent to the chair of the ATM committee: (arpad_muranyi@xxxxxxxxxx) Thanks, Arpad ========================================================================== --------------------------------------------------------------------- IBIS Macro website : http://www.eda.org/pub/ibis/macromodel_wip/ IBIS Macro reflector: //www.freelists.org/list/ibis-macro To unsubscribe send an email: To: ibis-macro-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: unsubscribe --------------------------------------------------------------------- IBIS Macro website : http://www.eda.org/pub/ibis/macromodel_wip/ IBIS Macro reflector: //www.freelists.org/list/ibis-macro To unsubscribe send an email: To: ibis-macro-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: unsubscribe