That's actually a good point I forgot about... Thanks, Arpad ================================================ From: ibis-macro-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:ibis-macro-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Todd Westerhoff Sent: Tuesday, March 13, 2012 1:23 PM To: ibis-macro@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [ibis-macro] Re: BIRD 120.1 Question Arpad, As I remember, reference flow meant "do whatever you like, but the answer you get had better be the same as if you had done this." A subtle point to be sure, but part of what I remember the intent to be. Todd. Todd Westerhoff VP, Software Products Signal Integrity Software Inc. * www.sisoft.com<http://www.sisoft.com/> 6 Clock Tower Place * Suite 250 * Maynard, MA 01754 (978) 461-0449 x24 * twesterh@xxxxxxxxxx<mailto:twesterh@xxxxxxxxxx> "Three in the morning and I'm still awake, So I picked up a pen and a page ... " -Sidewalk Prophets From: ibis-macro-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:ibis-macro-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> [mailto:ibis-macro-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]<mailto:[mailto:ibis-macro-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]> On Behalf Of Muranyi, Arpad Sent: Tuesday, March 13, 2012 1:10 PM To: ibis-macro@xxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:ibis-macro@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Subject: [ibis-macro] Re: BIRD 120.1 Question Scenario to me means possible situations, Reference flow to me means "thou shall do this and that". Arpad ========================================= From: Gregory R Edlund [mailto:gedlund@xxxxxxxxxx]<mailto:[mailto:gedlund@xxxxxxxxxx]> Sent: Tuesday, March 13, 2012 11:58 AM To: Muranyi, Arpad Cc: ibis-macro@xxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:ibis-macro@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>; ibis-macro-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:ibis-macro-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Subject: Re: [ibis-macro] Re: BIRD 120.1 Question Arpad, I'm not clear yet. Both sections seem to be describing what's going on inside of the simulator. Is there some subtle difference between an "application scenario" and a "reference flow" that I'm not picking up on? Greg Edlund Senior Engineer Signal Integrity and System Timing IBM Systems & Technology Group 3605 Hwy. 52 N Bldg 050-3 Rochester, MN 55901 [Inactive hide details for "Muranyi, Arpad" ---03/13/2012 10:40:44 AM---Greg, Section 2 is called APPLICATION SCENARIOS and sect]"Muranyi, Arpad" ---03/13/2012 10:40:44 AM---Greg, Section 2 is called APPLICATION SCENARIOS and section 3 From: "Muranyi, Arpad" <Arpad_Muranyi@xxxxxxxxxx<mailto:Arpad_Muranyi@xxxxxxxxxx>> To: "ibis-macro@xxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:ibis-macro@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>" <ibis-macro@xxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:ibis-macro@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>> Date: 03/13/2012 10:40 AM Subject: [ibis-macro] Re: BIRD 120.1 Question Sent by: ibis-macro-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:ibis-macro-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> ________________________________ Greg, Section 2 is called APPLICATION SCENARIOS and section 3 is called Reference Flows. The first sentence in section 2 says: | The next two sections provide an overview of the two simulation types | supported by the IBIS-AMI specification. and the first sentence in section 3 says: | The next two sections define a reference simulation flow for statistical | and time domain system analysis simulations. Does that answer your question? Thanks, Arpad ========================================================= From: ibis-macro-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:ibis-macro-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> [mailto:ibis-macro-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Gregory R Edlund Sent: Tuesday, March 13, 2012 8:36 AM To: ibis-macro@xxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:ibis-macro@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Subject: [ibis-macro] BIRD 120.1 Question Can anybody explain the difference between section 2.2 and 3.2 of BIRD 120.1? Both seem to be describing the high-level process for calculating a voltage-time waveform from AMI models, a channel, and a bit stream. Thanks. Greg Edlund Senior Engineer Signal Integrity and System Timing IBM Systems & Technology Group 3605 Hwy. 52 N Bldg 050-3 Rochester, MN 55901