All: Per the discussion today on the block interface definition, here is a derivation based on BIRD122 for just s2p 2-ports (but should apply to s4p files with more math). It shows the gain sensitivity to the explicit S11 term for TX and S22 term for RX from a reference impedance definition (e.g., TX: S11=0 or 50 ohm to infinite impedance S11 = 1 and RX: S22=0 to zero impedance S11=-1). In both cases, the transfer function S21 term is changed by a factor of 2 (assuming no S12 term). This is equivalent to specifying the isolation interfaces with a unity gain ideal voltage amplifier. //www.freelists.org/post/ibis-macro/Eelement-in-analog-model-BIRD,1 Sorry, but some of the prior material may have involved some lost or private e-mails and also a presentation or e-mail shown to the ATM committee according to questions and exchanges in the Dec. 14, 2010 minutes including: Walter showed an email from Fangyi: - Fangyi: The equation is at the bottom - Bob: We have defined S12 as zero - The real voltage gain is a function of S11 - Todd: Is this because S11 can affect V1 and therefore V2? - Fangyi: No - If V1 was fixed V2 would still be affected by S11 - Bob: The defaults should be zero for series impedances and infinity for impedances to ground. http://www.vhdl.org/ibis/macromodel_wip/minutes/20101214/mikelabontecisco/Mi nutes%20for%20the%2012-14-2010%20ibis-atm%20meeting/20101214.txt The main point is that the complete interface needs to be known and defined in the Specification (for S-parameters and perhaps different for a SPICE model) to get the proper gain (S21 term). Bob -- Bob Ross Teraspeed Consulting Group, LCC http://www.teraspeed.com bob@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx Direct : 503-246-8048 Teraspeed Labs: 503-430-1065 Headquarters: 401-284-1827 Teraspeed is a registered service mark of Teraspeed Consulting Group LLC --------------------------------------------------------------------- IBIS Macro website : http://www.eda.org/pub/ibis/macromodel_wip/ IBIS Macro reflector: //www.freelists.org/list/ibis-macro To unsubscribe send an email: To: ibis-macro-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: unsubscribe