Regarding how many corners BIRD 116 supports, I need to clarify something: The main thing in BIRD 116 is that it introduces IBIS-ISS as an official language under the [External Model] and [External Circuit] keywords. Both of these keywords use the "Corner" subparameter to define the file and subcircuit name to be used in the simulation. The "Corner" subparameter has three (and only three) options, Typ, Min, Max. From this perspective Walter's statement is correct, BIRD 116 supports three corners only. However, BIRD 118 adds more to this story. Please recall that in IBIS v5.0 the [External ***] keywords provide only a list of the parameter names without any assignment. The idea behind that was that the EDA tool will collect these parameter names and provide a dialog for the user with these names listed in it, and the user make the necessary assignments. This approach is quite user-unfriendly because the user has to do extra legwork to figure out the values for all parameters on their own. For this reason alone, it is desirable and useful to have the values in the IBIS file together with these parameters. The parameter assignment syntax described in BIRD 118 not only allows a value to be assigned to these parameters, but also allows an .ami file reference to get the values out of the .ami parameter file. The multi-valued parameter types (List, Range, etc...) in the .ami file syntax and the more elaborate Dependency Table syntax allows each of the above three IBIS "Corners" to be "extended" to have an unlimited number of parameter values. In the case of the S-parameter models, this means that if we parameterize the file name of the S-element in the IBIS-ISS subcircuit (yes, string parameters are supported), the .ami file might contain any number of Touchstone file names for that S-element and thereby the S-parameter model can have a practically unlimited number of corners for AMI modeling purposes. In summary, while it is true that BIRD 116 and 118 without an .ami file present allows only three corners, but when used with .ami files, the number of corners models become practically limitless (for S-parameter models as well as any other model types). Note, however, that it wouldn't take much change in BIRD 118 to extend this parameterization so that even regular IBIS models (without .ami files) could have unlimited number of parameter values to extend the corner variations that way but I am not going to go there until this discussion makes it necessary. Thanks, Arpad ============================================================= From: ibis-macro-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:ibis-macro-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Walter Katz Sent: Friday, January 20, 2012 4:58 PM To: ambrishv@xxxxxxxxxxx; 'IBIS-ATM' Subject: [ibis-macro] Re: Analog Buffer model - the User's viewpoint Ambrish, BIRD 116 fully support Tstonefile as well, just limited to three corners. Walter