[ian-reeds-games] Re: random
- From: Austen Perry <austentheaxewielder@xxxxxxxxx>
- To: ian-reeds-games@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2012 14:36:51 -0600
hmm,
the only use i can think of, as the attack structure is nice, is for
hit and miss.
so if you wanted arrows to sometimes miss the target or instead of
hitting the target hit the square next to it lol, could be nice for
space battle as well.
otherwise, your changing the whole strucutre of the game, wich just
adds confusion, but i can see dice rolling is some aspects of the
game.
another use, might be kind o fnice, is to have a dice roll with 1 or
2, at the end of each turn that could say, if 1 is rolled nothing
happenes, but if 2 is rolled a storm comes and all units affected get
some sort of slow affect or drousy rofl.
maybe if you had an ocean map, a dice roll for when a wave would come
in and attack units close enough.
but, i don't think the game engine itself should all be dice roll, the
great part of this game is you don't do 1 damage when the skill is
supposed to do 100, so keeping it 1, to the map creaters choice, 2 to
certain things, not neccarily all combat, and 3 unique in the way this
game already is.
On 12/19/12, Allan Thompson <allan1.thompson@xxxxxxx> wrote:
> I wanted to put this out there. I know it is early, and a huge great release
> has just been sent out, but I think the next logical step, when Ian is
> prepared to tackle it, is randomness.
>
> The true step to an rpg or even wargame is rolls of "dice".
>
> I was hoping to present this, and let everyone add two cents, and then if
> there is some consensus, it could be a foundation to work from, at least in
> basic ideas. Ian can keep it on the backburner to ruminate over it and see
> how hard or easy it is, and what he would ultimately do, etc and so forth.
>
> My own thoughts are this:
> All rpg games of any genre feature a dice roll, with bonus/penelties to
> modify that dice roll, and in most cases, the total result is then compared
> to the success number predetermined. This usually means a number or higher
> is needed to show a success in that dice roll.
>
> While other games use other more complex dice roll success methods, I think
> the simplest method, and most used is the simple number comparison for one
> roll.
>
> Almost all games have dice rolls that are under the number 100. The dice
> most RPG games use are the d4, d6, d8, d10, d12 and d100. I dont think any
> dice should be hard coded in. I think mostly that any set of numbers should
> be entered in, allowing for a map creator to choose what seems right to
> them.
>
> I would imagine that some default file would be set up. All rolls are
> basically in these catagories. Attack roll, saving roll, skill roll, damage
> roll, attribute roll. There may be others but these are essentially the
> basics of most rpg games.
> Again, I wouldn't hard code these things.
>
> I am thinking along these lines.
> Have in the unit default file that lists the diffrent rolls the creator
> wants, just like with the points.
> These would be default rolls for everything in the map pack. I see them
> having a minimum/maximum value.
>
> So, in a D&D map, I would declare "Attack_roll=1 20" to mean that the attack
> roll would be a random number between 1 and twenty.
>
> Or, if I wanted a roll between 1 and 100 I could make it this way,
> "Attack_roll=1 100".
> It might be good to add a "lesser than" to that, so that the program needs
> to know if a number or higher(default) is to be a success, or a number and
> lower is to be a success.
>
> So let's say I have a halfling with the dexterity attribute of16. I
> determined that attribute rolls for the halfling are to be "lower than".
> Meaning that number or lower. I would write it like this, "attribute_roll=1
> 20 <". That would mean that a roll of 16 or under is a success instead of
> the normal greater then default.
> The attributes I see as reagular point max scores. This will make it easier
> to affect their attributes simply by lowering the point of the attribute.
> For example, a rogue might have a sneak attack that does "damage" to
> someone's strength attribute. That could be done with the points which is
> already set up.
>
> For terrain, items and units these would have a defense number of some sort.
> I am not sure if these should be hard coded or not. But for example, if I
> wanted my halfling to "picka lock" on a chest, I imagine the chest would
> have a success number required to do that with. It might
> skill_roll_success=12" So that the halfing skill roll would kick in, add
> modifiers, then determine success or not, and any effects after that, such
> as a trap going off, or a counter on a silent alarm that summons orcs to
> come and defend their treasure.
>
> Now I am thinking that each unit could be given success numbers.
> These would tie in with the damage types very nicely. For example one could
> type in for a halfling unit, "physical_success=12". That would mean all
> physical attacks would need a twelve or higher to hit the halfling.
> Skills, effects, items and even terrain would affect the success numbers on
> units. A map creator would just have to keep the damage types in mind.
> So essentially each unit, structure and item would need rolls, and numbers
> to resist rolls against them.
>
> the damage roll would be a separate roll on skills and the other objects. It
> could either be a default, for instance, "longsowrd_damage=1 8" or it could
> be in the skill as "health_inflict_random=1,8".
>
> skills, effects, terrain and items could have modifiers to random rolls. I
> imagine something like, "damage_roll_add=1" for +1 to random damage rolls,
> and "attack_roll_add=-1" for a negative one to an attack roll.
>
> Of course, I am most familiar with dungeons and dragons so I used that as
> examples, but the strength would come from a map creator determining the
> "dice" and all the things scaled to it.
>
> Does anyone have any thoughts on the matter?
> I don't know how easy or hard this would be to implement or edit for map
> creators.
>
> al
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