[ian-reeds-games] Re: CraigBrett's stacking script
- From: Monkey <murtagh69.monkeys@xxxxxxxxx>
- To: ian-reeds-games@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Sun, 1 Mar 2015 14:43:21 -0700
Aha, I see.
The tweaking with how many can be on each tile is just the structures
and units per tile thing, right? You can't tweak how many of an
individual unit can be on a tile as of yet?
Just thought to point it out since I was taking advantage of it for
most of my evening. It's somewhat surprising how it overrides the
units_per_tile flag, though.
On 3/1/15, Craig Brett <dmarc-noreply@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> They practically are, yeah. But the tiles store unit sand structures
> separately, that's how you can have different amounts of units and
> structures on tiles. In the same way, my script goes through all the
> units on the tile. I didn't foresee people wanting to form their
> structures into squads really, so I thought that would be sufficient.
>
> You can tweak how many of each type can be on a tile, so you can adjust
> that to your needs. Transportation should be allowed for structures,
> yeah. It doesn't use that particular tile.Units logic that stacking
> does. Same for team_toggling. Or probably anything else. It's just a
> querk of the stacking script, since it uses tile.Units.
>
> A merge type script should be doable, yeah. Looks reasonable to do.
>
> Yep, that's because the unit dies twice, it triggers its after_death
> twice, making a kind of clone. Not fun if it's working against you! I
> fixed that bug months ago and it should come out in the next release.
> Keep patient, it will be with us imminently as well as the other bits
> we've been working on.
>
> On 01/03/2015 20:06, Monkey wrote:
>> I thought that units and structures were supposed to be pretty much
>> the same thing. Derp.
>>
>> I think that I used to have them as units, actually. I mainly started
>> using structures after I found that we could have more than one
>> structure on a tile but still have only one unit on it.
>> It's not a big deal though. I did find that the transport_capacity
>> works for structures too, not sure if it was designed that way but I'm
>> saying that it is useful so that I can have siege towers that carry
>> multiple units to the walls. Are the team toggle flags intended to be
>> used on structures too?
>>
>> I had a thought for stacking, since we're talking about it, although
>> the better word for this would be merging. How hard would it be to
>> make a script that would merge two or more units into one? I'm
>> thinking something like
>> merge dwarf|bear=bear_rider,orc_warrior|warg=warg_rider
>> Or something along those lines.
>>
>> And this is related to your death_transformation and
>> critical_hit_effect flags. I remember you saying that you either fixed
>> or were going to fix the critical_hit_effect so that if we had the
>> effect death it wouldn't kill the unit twice. Well, I found that if
>> you use a skill with critical_hit_effect death on a unit that has a
>> death transformation, the unit potentially dies twice and then there
>> are two of the newly transformed units on one tile. For example, a
>> warg rider dies twice and then there are two orcs on the tile. I found
>> it to be incredibly amusing, and I freely admit that I was abusing the
>> glitch to give myself more opponents, but I figured I'd throw it out
>> there just so you are aware of that.
>>
>> On 3/1/15, Craig Brett <dmarc-noreply@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>> That'd be why. Both why I couldn't find it and why it isn't working. I
>>> hadn't anticipated that people would want to form squads of structures.
>>>
>>> Getting it to work so you can form squads of structures will take more
>>> work and I'm not sure anything I do will necessarily be pretty. Would
>>> catapults be better as units?
>>>
>>> On 01/03/2015 17:42, Monkey wrote:
>>>> The catapult is in the structures folder, could that be why?
>>>>
>>>> On 3/1/15, Craig Brett <dmarc-noreply@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>>> I tried getting your map pack and have got it. This version doesn't
>>>>> seem
>>>>> to have catapult units in though, in either the map or the map pack's
>>>>> units. It does have the skill, though.
>>>>>
>>>>> On 01/03/2015 11:01, Craig Brett (Redacted sender craigbrett17@xxxxxxx
>>>>> for DMARC) wrote:
>>>>>> JJarek,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> He's sending me that map pack so it can help me fix a problem, it's
>>>>>> not a released map pack. Just so you're aware.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Craig
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 28/02/2015 23:17, Monkey wrote:
>>>>>>> Um... It should be downloadable...
>>>>>>> https://www.sendspace.com/file/oqaw0u
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 2/28/15, Jaromír Psánský <jaromir.psansky@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>>>>>> Hi Monkey.
>>>>>>>> Can you send this link repeat? I am not able to download.
>>>>>>>> Thank you
>>>>>>>> Jarek from Czech republic.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>>> From: "Monkey" <murtagh69.monkeys@xxxxxxxxx>
>>>>>>>> To: <ian-reeds-games@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>>>>>> Sent: Saturday, February 28, 2015 11:26 PM
>>>>>>>> Subject: [ian-reeds-games] Re: CraigBrett's stacking script
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> https://www.sendspace.com/file/oqaw0u
>>>>>>>>> There's a test pack, since mine is too large to upload to
>>>>>>>>> Sendspace...
>>>>>>>>> Catapults are in the second map, with the zombies.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On 2/28/15, Craig Brett <dmarc-noreply@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> As for your stacking problem, if you like, you can send me your
>>>>>>>>>> map pack
>>>>>>>>>> (or sample of it) with the units and skills that you want
>>>>>>>>>> stacking
>>>>>>>>>> working with and I can see if I can figure out why not. As at the
>>>>>>>>>> minute
>>>>>>>>>> I'm coming up blank.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On 28/02/2015 20:02, Monkey wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> I know.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Damn. I was getting excited for the potential here.
>>>>>>>>>>> Thank you, though!
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On 2/28/15, Craig Brett <dmarc-noreply@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> Well it might. So was worth a try.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm afraid I have no idea. The skill, apart from it targeting
>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>> wrong
>>>>>>>>>>>> thing, looks like it should work.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On 28/02/2015 18:01, Monkey wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> The catapult uses it. I'm not sure if that would make a
>>>>>>>>>>>>> difference
>>>>>>>>>>>>> though, since I just tried modifying the skill so I can use it
>>>>>>>>>>>>> on the
>>>>>>>>>>>>> unit beside it (there were three catapults on the tile on
>>>>>>>>>>>>> which
>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>> affected catapult was sitting).
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 2/28/15, Craig Brett <dmarc-noreply@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Well I know it definitely won't work if the target is a tile.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> How
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> strange that that didn't fix it.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Is it a catapult that uses that skill? Or a commander type
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> unit?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 28/02/2015 14:25, Monkey wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Just tried that suggestion, and the one in your previous
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> message...I'm
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> still getting the same error message.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 2/28/15, Craig Brett <dmarc-noreply@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Aha, nevermind, ignore that last suggestion, I think I know
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> what
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The target of the skill needs to be one of the units that's
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> going
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> be
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in the stack, rather than the tile that they're on. Try
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> replacing
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> line setting the target to tile with self. That should do
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Craig
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 28/02/2015 11:42, Craig Brett (Redacted sender
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> craigbrett17@xxxxxxx
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for DMARC) wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Well, it looks fine to me, nothing's jumping out at me as
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> being
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> off.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It checks for the units having the same identical
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> indexedName.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hmmm.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wonder if it's a casing thing? I'd be surprised though.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Could you try giving your catapult file either all
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> lowercase or a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> capital first letter? Whichever it doesn't currently have.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It's a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> long
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> shot but worth a try.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Craig
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 24/02/2015 21:08, Monkey wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hello,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I recently attempted to make a stacking skill, to combine
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> three
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> catapults into a great catapult. The skill looks like
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> this:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> skill
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 10
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> |flags
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> description Combines three catapults into a great
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> catapult.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Costs
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 6
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> AP's. Key is c.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> tile
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> range=0
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> AP's_cost=6
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> sound=great_catapult_cursor
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> key=c
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> |script_flags
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> stack_into great catapult
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> stack_number 3
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> However, when I have three catapults on a tile and try
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> skill,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> tells me "Not enough units of this type on this tile to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> use
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> stacking
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> skill".
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> So I tried reducing the amount to two, and still the same
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> message...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It works if I reduce the stacking number to 1, but then
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it's
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> technically not a stack.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Am I doing something wrong here, or is this a bug with
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> stacking
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> script?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>> -Mew
>>>>>>>>> __________
>>>>>>>>> http://www.savethefrogs.com/
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>
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