[huskerlug] Re: PCLinuxOS
- From: GreyGeek <jkreps@xxxxxxxxxx>
- To: huskerlug@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Sat, 24 Jun 2006 14:13:56 -0500
On Friday 23 June 2006 4:04 pm, Jim Worrest wrote:
> Well, it has 5,000 apps in it's library. It does NOT encourage people
> to
> look outside it's repository. You may have noted it didn't have ALIEN in
> it's repository.
When I ran it there were only 3,900 and change in its repository. They must
be working hard to build their repository up. I tried ALIEN on one app but
it didn't help the install.
> It upgraded 439 packages and still rebooted. I wish I
> could have said the same for Mepis.
This benchmark is a mixed bag for any repository based distro, or CD sets as
well. I ran KNOPPIX 3.7 for a time and it successfullly upgraded KDE (450
or so packages) the first time I tried it, but not the next. Three out of
four times I successfully upgraded to KDE 3.50 (340 or so apps) in MEPIS.
The fourth time hung on a repository and broke several apps, but I was able
to clean up the broken apps and redo the upgrade successfully.
It has been my experience with a variety of distros that a clean install is
always better than upgrading a previous release with the new one. Out of 22
versions of SuSE (5.2 to 8.0 IIRC) the upgrades went so poorly that I settled
on always reinstalling. Dittos with Mandrake from 7.2 to 10.0.
However, because of the quality of the Debian based repository, which the
Ubuntu repository shares, I did a repository upgrade of SimplyMEPIS-.3.3 all
the way through to SimplyMEPIS-6.0 and all went well every time I upgraded.
But, I did not upgrade from the 3.x version to the 6.x version. I did a
clean install of SimplyMEPIS-6.0b1 and since then I have used the upgrade
route to bring my installation up to the latest files in the MEPIS section of
the repository. All without incident.
> This is one reason that I tried
> PClinuxOS out. It is not working at displaying DVD's as well as I would
> like, but then it may not like the particular computer that I put it on.
I, too, found that multimedia didn't work well with PCLinuxOS. At the time I
couldn't find the appropriate decoder, navigator or windows media files.
> You can try it out since it comes as a live CD.
Ya, I tried that too before I installed it.
>....... Mepis may return to a computer of mine, if it comes with a
>good upgrade technique.
>I get tired of having to reinstall everything when a new version of a distro
> comes out.
I've developed the reinstall to an artform. ;-) I convert my email contacts
to a cvs file and then I burn a DVD of my entire home account. After the
reinstall the email contacts get set up first, which usually takes two or
three minutes. Then I copy those files from the DVD that I want to keep
current on my home account, Usually OOo files, pdfs and some media files.
> Oh, PClinuxOS did have the Bibletime program.
Ya, it was the first one I installed.
> If you want
> something with a really big selection of programs, I guess you can't beat
> Debian, and I have that sitting on a section of my hard-drive too. It got
> there via Knoppix 4.0.2. It's a rather robust distro, and I wouldn't go
I downloaded KNOPPIX 5.0 and tried it out. I really couldn't tell any
difference between it and 4.0, except for some minor menu changes, IIRC.
> around slamming it very much, though there are some things I'm not happy
> about, such as having to have printers, ethernet, and USB's plugged in
> before you boot up to have them recognized after the boot up. ---Jim
mmm... I haven't experienced that problem. My printer is connected via a
wireless port and is not detected during install. After I make my wireless
connection I run the CUPS network printer install and after that it never
fails to connect during boot up.
GreyGeek
>
> GreyGeek wrote:
> > On Thursday 22 June 2006 8:11 pm, Jim Worrest wrote:
> >> I have been playing around with it some. One thought about it, well
> >> maybe two. ;-)
> >
> > I tried the 0.92 version. Is that the one you used?
> >
> > I found PCLinuxOS to have great eye-appeal and to be very well built.
> > So much so that I decided to try Mandriva as a comparison. IMO,
> > PCLinuxOS is a better Madriva than Mandriva.
> >
> > But, there are only 4,000 apps in the repository and if one starts
> > looking for apps not in their repository, like at RPM Bone, you have to
> > use the Mandrake 9.2 version, which is getting long in the tooth. The
> > other problem I had was than when I attempted to install apps that were
> > not from the repository I often encountered the classic dependency hell
> > problem -- z requires y which requires x which requires w, but replacing
> > w would create conflicts with r, s, t, u and v. These dependency
> > problems were one reason why I left RPM based distros. Debian based
> > distros have 20,000 apps to choose from and I have not encountered any
> > dependency problems while using Synaptic.
> >
> > After a day of trying to get PCLinuxOS to the same state I had
> > SimplyMEPIS-3.4.3 in, I gave up and put SimplyMEPIS back on. But, if
> > your only use of PCLinuxOS is to use OOo, FireFox and KMail then you
> > couldn't find an easier to use, more eye-pleasing distro.
> > GreyGeek
> >
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