[huskerlug] Re: Gentoo Question on package development/portage.
- From: Carl Lundstedt <clundst@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: huskerlug@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Fri, 02 Feb 2007 17:21:48 -0600
I've been having good luck with RPMs of late in Fedora and CentOS. Yum
seems to have taken some leaps forward. Its been a long time since I've
been staring at a cursor stuck in RPMHell(tm).
I will say that SuSE still has real package issues and annoyances. I
haven't used SuSE since OpenSuse 10.1 (which I think is still pretty
current) but the silly distro simply DEMANDED that I put the
installation media in the drive in order to satisfy dependencies. I
thought that was pretty lame. When I'd disable the DVD as a source then
RPM-Hell would ensue.
I go to great lengths to avoid compiling anything anymore since <Rocky
the flying squirrel> That trick never works...</Rocky the flying
squirrel>
Carl
On Fri, 2007-02-02 at 17:04 -0600, Paul Andrews wrote:
> > Speed increases are definitely present when compiling with
> > the -o3 optimizations.
> I haven't tested the speedup from the different CFLAGS, but I always hoped
> it was worth doing, but the `-03` does have its downfall as it makes
> debugging software much harder. I had my fill of gdb in college so I stay
> away from that one when I can. ;-)
>
> Do you use binaries on your notebook or are you just not worried about
> leaving in running for an extended period of time when initially installing
> your system? That's the biggest hold back I've had from putting Gentoo on
> my 'book. Synaptic/apt-get/binary distros are quite nice for that usage.
>
> > I'm never going back to anything RPM based.
>
> Honestly, I couldn't agree more with this statement... I come from a
> RedHat/Fedora background though. RPM-hell just isn't worth the trouble.
>
> Paul
>
> On 2/2/07, Joseph R. Smith <joe@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> >
> > speaking as a gentoo user:
> >
> > Speed increases are definitely present when compiling with the -o3
> > optimizations. using USE flags to specify what components to add and
> > remove
> > from package defaults gives it some edge too.
> >
> > You don't have to compile packages from scratch, using the -k command will
> > install binaries.
> >
> > I love apt-get, but the level of control emerge and friends gives you is
> > unbeatable-- and honestly, very straightforward.
> >
> > (I have gentoo installed on a sony vaio notebook (fs660) with all the
> > hardware
> > working, minimal effort).
> >
> >
> > I'm a gentoo convert previously running SuSE as my main distro. I'm never
> > going back to anything RPM based.
> >
> >
> >
> > On Friday 02 February 2007 00:19, Charles Leslie wrote:
> > > > I usually don't run into any problems with packages getting hosed, and
> > > > I've been running Gentoo for almost three years now. Although, I do
> > > > enjoy the "struggle" to update some packages. Is that masochistic?
> > > > Probably... but it is my entertainment. What is nice though is when
> > my
> > > > brother is having trouble compiling a package of some kind (he likes
> > > > Debian based distros) and I have already run into the problem and
> > found
> > > > the answer on gentoo's forums. But I defiantly wouldn't recommend
> > this
> > > > for everyone (not even to my brother).
> > >
> > > Gentoo users sometimes remind me of ultralight backpackers who cut the
> > > edges off their maps and the end off their toothbrush to save weight.
> > > Unnecessary? maybe. But I guess there is something to be said about
> > > knowing that you went to that level.
> > >
> > > I know a crazy Linux hermit that still runs a Redhat 4.2 box, or
> > > that's what it originally was. It's not anymore, he's updated nearly
> > > ever component from source, even recompiling multiple new versions of
> > > the GNU compiler and core system libraries. He installs everything
> > > from source, and the amount he has learned by doing it is hard to
> > > dispute. But, for me, sometimes reading man pages and code, for days
> > > on end, isn't worth it when you can just do... apt-get, and get on
> > > with your valuable life. :)
> > >
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