[haiku] Re: some questions from a complete newbe

  • From: Dick <dick@xxxxxxx>
  • To: haiku@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
  • Date: Fri, 7 Dec 2018 14:05:49 +0100 (CET)

Ok, i think the accessibility of haiku will not be in the picture annytime soon.
but for normal users: I guess there is a plan. Is haiku r1 expected to be a ful functional modern os, with support of features modern users use: liek youtube, netflix etc? I found out one of the reasons to release beta1 was to gain new media attention.
I think people are realy interested in using something else then the slow heavy windows10 that eats memory and cpu power while delivering quite poor results compared to what it takes to get them. Linux is much better, but you still need to tweak around a bit to create a full functional desktop configuration in which nothing lacks windows has to offer. But with some skills it is possible to create a full functional desktop. But for the mainstream user rit is all much to complex. Haiku is targeted to normal users, no networking but mainly for personal computer use. I think most users would decide to try a new os when they can do with it what they do now. So internet, some office work and email. Nowadays netflix and youtube are quite common used parts of internet. So although from developer point of view these functions would be added just before r1, or even in r2, to gain interest from average users these features might be realy a good goal for beta2.
Best regards, Dick

On Fri, 7 Dec 2018, Liam Proven wrote:

Dick, to try to answer your questions as a former support guy with
some experience of accessibility issues as well as screen readers on
Windows, Mac and Linux...

I don't think you are going to get far with Haiku. It is a nice little
O S, a personal favourite of mine, but it is an unfinished,
preliminary test version of a free-software recreation of a minority O
S from the 1990s. It has relatively few apps and drivers, and things
like proprietary streaming media do not work very well yet, nor are
they likely to work in the near future.

No, it has no text console, unlike Linux. It is not a Linux distro nor
a Unix-like OS at all, although it bears some faint resemblances. The
terminal app is a graphical app on the graphical desktop and cannot
run full-screen.

Currently there are only 3 fairly accessible general-purpose operating
systems for blind users: Windows, which is the best, but due to
third-party tools which are often expensive. Mac O S ten, which has
pretty good built-in accessibility tools, but for which third-party
app support is weaker than on Windows. And Linux, notably with the
GNOME or Maté desktops and the Orca screen reader.

GNOME 3 suffers from an accessibility perspective. (To be honest, in
my opinion, it's not all that accessible for sighted users, either!)
You might be better off with Maté, which is a fork of GNOME 2 and had
a more mature version of the Orca screen reader.

Linux is very capable and accessible at the command line level, as you
have discovered.

There were some graphical meta-distros specifically intended for blind
users, but they are dead now. I tried Vimux, a modified Ubuntu. There
was also Sonar, based off Arch Linux.

There is some useful info here:
https://pjb.com.au/blin/

On Fri, 7 Dec 2018 at 10:21, Dick <dick@xxxxxxx> wrote:

Hi,
thanks for your reply.
I use ubuntu myself now, i always work in the console. I have no idea: is
the haiku console realy text-mode or is it just part of the graphical
environment? For example: in ubuntu it is possible to login to the
consoles in full text mode. in this mode brltty can provide all
information to the braille display. but you can also enter the terminal
with gnometermilan, but this terminal is in fact part of the graphic
environment and brltty will show noting, unless orca(the gnome
screenreader) is used. so if haiku has a real text-console porting brltty
to haiku would make it accessibel for the blind.
suggestion: maybe it is a good idea to add a package to depot something
like(nightly vs beta1) so the whole list of missing packages form a
nightly build can be installed at once.
I googled around a bit but some things are not clear to me:
has someone already watched netflix with haiku, is that already possible
with the webpositive browser? or watching tv-show from other sources like
fmovies.to does that work?
The problem is a hp pavillion with amd a4 6210, 6gb ram 1tb harddrive,
radeon r3 video, broadcom bcm43142 wireless card. In windows it is
unusably slow, in ubuntu it is still slow, and wifi is unstable. so i
wanted to try something completely different, haiku sounds as a nice os.
best regards, dick




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