Something else to consider is that BSD is primarilly a CLI system (at least by default). X Windows is an *add-on* to BSD. It is not integral to the system like app_server is to Haiku. My personal take is that neither Vim nor any other cli editor should be included into a downloadable Haiku base. Downloading software with Haiku is pretty easy. I think that we need to make the minimal download as small as possible while providing what most people need. StyledEdit is an incredible piece of work and I think that is it more than adequite for what most people will want/need and should be showcased since it is a Haiku native app. :-D Note - I say this as an absolute Vim bigot who uses Vim everywhere. :-) On 2005-03-25 at 10:25:07 [-0500], Axel Dörfler wrote: > "Jonas Sundström" <jonas@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: > > Ingo Weinhold <bonefish@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: > > ... > > > What speaks for vim is that it is the only terminal-based editor. We need > > > such a thing or otherwise can't edit anything when logged in from a > > > remote machine. > > Even some (all?) of the BSDs include more simple, self-explanatory editors, > > in their base system, offering a less steep learning curve. And the BSDs > > make an effort to keep anything that isn't essential out of the base > > system. So even in a server-oriented platform there is need > > for a more self-explanatory editor. And there are plenty of them to choose > > from. > > Unlike the BSDs we have a great GUI that comes as part of the system by > default. If someone needs an editor on the command line, we can as well > provide something better than nedit, even if it does have a higher learning > curve :-) > > Bye, > Axel.