Although the SV/PackageBuilder setup has a bit of a learning curve for the developer, just glossing over it gives me the impression that it has both power and relative ease-of-use. Matt Bishop wrote an elegant freeware utility called UnInstall for SV packages which parses the logfiles which could be included with the distro. Grandmas will probably find it easiest for the one-click-install kind of thing that SV has. And I think that if someone wrote a quick-study guide for us lazy developers, more of us would probably use it, too. Just my probably- missing-the-point opinion. --DW