Guys, Karl has done a lot of good. So maybe it didn't work out exactly as planned, (and you may remember that I was a skeptic - for that I apologize), but maybe the bounties at least partially inspired the restarted work on USB and the netstack. At the very least it made people contribute and I'm sure it made them feel more like part of the project. I'm hoping that the recent communications breakdown won't have any lasting effects on how these people feel about having contributed. I'm certain that Michael does a lot of work that we who are somewhat peripheral to the project can't appreciate, and I'm grateful that we have a person who feels strongly enough about the project to take on the leadership and handle all the necessary paperwork. (ouch) From personal experience, yes, it seems as though email replies sometimes can take a little while, and I know also from personal experience that it's hard to stay patient and trusting when there's money involved. Next time around I will be more patient, and I won't ask for a t-shirt in return. ;-) I will refrain from listing the entire Haiku team, but you guys rock. We're indebted to you. However, some reactions to Karl did seem rash. You may have had inside information (or longer memories) that I don't, which could explain your reactions, but please remember that you are high-profile representatives of the project, probably more so than Michael. Also, you probably have more sense of control than we do who are more peripheral to the project. Try to keep that in mind when people feel (real or not) that Haiku is more of a black box than a sunny pool of nicely tempered water. Anyway, I owe you guys a cold one, or some fermented fish. :)) /Jonas.