Hi all, So there is no confusion about what I'm replying to or not in this one, I won't quote anything :) The lengthy off-topic bits were mainly an attempt to explain the foundations of my position...I promise this one will be shorter. I was wrong about the only value of any event right now for any people likely to come being social. That was because I missed an important group of people (even more surprising as I am probably one of them!) - the people who actively follow Haiku but have not actually contributed despite being technically able to. A few people made good suggestions - I'd love to go to an event to get to meet people and also have an intensive session on creating drivers - and then attempt to use my new-found knowledge to get my wireless card supported in Haiku (it's a Ralink chipset, I bought it on purpose because there are OSS drivers available). So that group are the target for WC07. Interests would be both social and educational, probably wanting to learn more advanced driver-level stuff and some Haiku internals. There is a major content overlap with what would be presented for the new-to-the-project potential developer that Koki is keen to attract, so that is a nice side effect. I still think it unlikely it will attract anyone outside of the regulars (due to high initial time and money commitments). However it will attract more of the regulars, and may convince them to take a more active role, so it is definitely worth doing. I'm with Michael on his 3 points regarding who goes to conferences and who pays. That's why I insisted on mentioning professional developers - those are people who would potentially attend a conference as their first introduction to Haiku - but the time is not right for them yet. I now believe that WC07 can be successful but only by engaging the regulars. If we can do a WalterCon @ BeGeistert in Europe then I'm sure that would be successful. I'm not sure whether there are enough core developers in the US to be able to deliver the "teaching" experience quite as successfully. My off-topic web stuff is moving to a new thread, Real Soon Now (TM). Simon ----------------------------------------- Email sent from www.virginmedia.com/email Virus-checked using McAfee(R) Software and scanned for spam