[openbeos] Re: WalterCon 2008: Change of Plans

  • From: "Dennis d'Entremont" <dennis.dentremont@xxxxxxxxx>
  • To: openbeos@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
  • Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2008 18:19:49 -0300

On Tue, Jul 22, 2008 at 6:05 PM, Stephan Assmus <superstippi@xxxxxx> wrote:

> Dennis d'Entremont wrote:
> > On Tue, Jul 22, 2008 at 5:23 PM, Urias McCullough <umccullough@xxxxxxxxx
> >
> > wrote:
> >
> > > 2008/7/22 Jorge Mare <kokitomare@xxxxxxxxx>:
> > > > http://www.haiku-os.org/getting_involved_in_haiku
> > >
> > > Oh...we need to update that indeed :)
> > >
> > > Still mentions M. Phipps as the "accountant".
> > >
> >
> > Part of the reason that I don't put a whole lot of faith in that page is
> > precisely that which you have just mentioned. It's hard to tell if what
> > is listed is still needed or not.
> >
> > I also think that new community members can be quite shy and maybe not
> > willing to speak up themselves right away. Maybe a weekly or monthly
> > message saying something like "We need your help" and listing current
> > tasks that general users and/or professionals can help with would
> > encourage more volunteers.
> >
> > Also, if there are a few people like me who don't check the website super
> > often (other than the RSS feeds of the main page) then we might not
> > notice when/if these sections of the website get updated.
> >
> > The last time I offered to help with general stuff nothing ever came of
> > it so that's also a little discouraging but won't stop me from donating
> > some of my time in the future. I may be qualified to help around the
> > website with general maintenance and content updating. I'm not a super
> > writer but I can manage. I will offer my help in that regard.
> > Unfortunately I am not an accountant, lawyer, or copyright nerd so I'm
> > sorry I can't help much there.
> We absolutely need help with all this stuff. The problem with regards to
> these administrative tasks and the website are:
> a) People who see what work needs to be done and then try hard enough to
> execute to get results are very rare.
> b) With code you can send patches. If memory serves, every single new
> contributor we have got has started by simply popping up with a patch.
> Sometimes they have been active in the bugtracker before, or have even
> attached patches to tickets. I may be forgetting someone, but I cannot
> remember a single instance where someone introduced himself on the
> developer list and asked for work or an introduction or help with getting
> started, and ever actually became a contributor. Regardless of how many
> nice welcome messages were the reaction or how throurough the getting
> started help. So either people pop up out of nowhere, see the work and
> become motivated enough to do it, or they don't. What is extremely helpful
> is accurate instructions on the website for getting and building the
> source. From what I hear from my student Andrej, our source code layout is
> quite lucent. The problem is that I don't see a similar infrastructure for
> becoming involved with the administration or website. There is no basis on
> which people can pop up out of nowhere and fix something which always
> bothered them. Any ideas what we could do about this? Is what I am saying
> even making sense? :-)

Yes you are making sense. This is one of the things I was trying to get at.
The info might be there but maybe not in an enticing format.

> Best regards,
> -Stephan

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