burton666 wrote: > Let me disagree... a developer is, first of all, a user. > And for me, it DOES matter what the OS looks like. In my opinion, and having worked with a number of developers over the years, most of them are clueless when it comes to interface design and usability. They need constant reminding to make things more friendly and coherent. A developer may be a user, but he certainly doesn't represent that part of the "user universe" that eventually shells out the bucks. Also, by definition, a coder is someone who thinks on a very structured level, using his left brain. A graphic artist uses his right brain, thinking completely different. I see this all the time in my job. I do a lot of website design in PHP and MySQL, but for the design I farm everything out to a friend in Germany who is a graphic artist. Takes her a fraction of time and saves me a huge amount. Of course I tell her what can and what can't be done, but that's the nature of the thing anyway. Both parties must work together because none has the other's skills, and again, most developers suck at UI and graphic design, so the last thing I would do is base the appearance of an OS on someone who has little or no graphic and asthetic skills. That's ultimately what the CDT is for, and while the developers have to set the parameters and limits, they should stick to their guns, because the CDT people also don't tell the hard-core coders who they should write their code. Helmar 'who thought that Sonork was a stupid name, the Maserati 3200 GT looked ugly, and who erred and changed his mind on many an occasion about stuff, but who still thinks that BeOS Rx has one of the most user-unfriendly and inconsistent UIs with no proper guidelines out there.'