> Urias McCullough <umccullough@xxxxxxxxx> wrote: > > so I guess we'll have to file separately for the name and logo > > Usually it's both at the same time, IIRC from the last time I looked > at > it. If it's cheaper in France, we could try the EU way first as well > (François more or less volunteered last time). I didn't say it was cheaper, I said it was not always the same price depending on where you start. For ex, in france it's 225EUR for a trademark registration, for 10 years (it's always 10y everywhere anyway). This includes possibly a "semi-graphical" mark (ie. both the name "Haiku" and the logo "Haiku" at the same time, no need to waste money on dups), for a selected list of good/service in up to 3 main categories (a trademark is never registered absolutely, only for types of "good & services") in the Nice classification: http://www.wipo.int/classifications/nice/en/classifications.html see for ex, class 38, and mostly 42 (eh!). Then you can apply for protection in other countries called international trademark, but actually more like a checklist of which countries you want to protect your tm in, like the US, some EU countries (or the EU as a whole, communautary mark), japan... each adds a different fee to the bill. See the fee calculator (both online & xls): http://www.wipo.int/madrid/en/fees/ Would be interesting to search for TM from Microsoft, Apple and others first : Madrid Express tm search: http://www.wipo.int/ipdl/en/search/madrid/search-struct.jsp François.