Note the cross-posting : Let this end up on the appropriate list. Its quite well established that OBOS R1 will be basically identical to BeOS R5 (or as close as legally possible, + bugfixes...) GlassElevator is still somewhat ethereal, although there certainly are recurring themes and concepts on the list that indicate some kind of direction. Certain groups are working on redesigns/improvements to various kits and APIs, new system tools that warrant possible inclusion, and all manner of cool ideas for the melting pot. My question is simple : At what point do we start implementing these 'GE' features in OBOS? Version 1.0.1 ? 1.0.2? Are there some features that are so beneficial that they should be in R1 - or is everything on hold until R2? I've always felt that the shift from OBOS -> GE should be a matter of 'evolution rather than revolution' - so now its a question of "When does the evolution begin?" Thanks, David Shipman