[haiku] Re: Tentative approval for paying for the fliers
- From: Ingo Weinhold <ingo_weinhold@xxxxxx>
- To: haiku@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Tue, 22 Dec 2009 20:43:30 +0100
On 2009-12-22 at 16:50:28 [+0100], Jorge G. Mare <koki@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
[...]
> So, I am far from being a stranger, nor am I asking for a blank check.
You're definitely not a stranger. Still you're asking for a blank check. Or
how would you call committing to pay for something yet unknown?
Is it that unreasonable for Haiku, Inc.'s BOD member, who are responsible
for money donated by the community, to at least require a look at the final
design before committing to spending that money? Wouldn't it even be
irresponsible not to do that?
On 2009-12-22 at 16:53:36 [+0100], Jorge G. Mare <koki@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> Axel Dörfler wrote:
> > You can, by all means, expect it to be printed, but that cannot be a
> > guarantee.
>
> This statement sounds like an oxymoron to me. If you tell someone the
> he/she can expect something to happen by all means, you are saying that
> it will happen without fail, which is the exact definition of a guarantee.
>
> The reason that I keep coming back to this point is this: Haiku Inc. has
> never had any after the fact metrics to determine whether something was
> funded or not. If something was deemed to be beneficial for the project
> and worth the money, funding was committed upfront. This has always been
> the case for trips to conferences, event support (i.e., Begeistert),
> purchases of books (i.e., PCI spec), hardware for developers (your LCD
> monitor), etc. So let me ask:
>
> Why is this new after the fact condition for funding necessary now?
Let's see: Traveling costs, event support, purchase of books or hardware.
Mmh, could it be that in all these cases it was well-defined what the money
would be spent for, while printing a flier with yet unknown content is not?
> Is the flier not deemed to be a good return on the investment?
I'm sure it is. Not being associated with Haiku, Inc. in any way, that's
only what I'm guessing from the public mails I've read. Do you have reason
to assume that members of the BOD do not deem the flier to be a good
investment?
> Does Haiku Inc. have doubts that I will do a good job?
From the public mails I've read, quite the opposite, I'd say. So far only
the fullest confidence in your skills has been expressed. And I would
consider the tentative commitment to paying for the fliers a vote of
confidence.
> I have a past record of contributions and working together with the
> community, like when I created the GSoC 2009 flier, the old website
> design, new website design, etc. (the list is really really long). Do
> these precedents not count for Haiku Inc. to know that I can deliver
> something that is at the very least acceptable?
I'd be extremely surprised, if any BOD member expected you to deliver
anything but excellent work.
> Please, help me understand, because I am really feeling singled out here
> in a very discriminatory way, and this is not helping my motivation.
I'd say you're singling yourself out. A tentative approval for financing
the fliers has been given and everyone agrees that your track record is
excellent. If anyone else on this list does not find this enough of a vote
of confidence to start with the design, please shout.
> > If you develop a new product in a company, there is also no guarantee
> > it will hit the market at some point, however, there is every intention
> > to do so.
>
> And how am I supposed to take this? As a vote of no confidence from the
> BOD on my ability to deliver?
Mmh, the "there is every intention to do so" part sounds pretty confident,
if you ask me.
The questions that plague me: Why would you ask of Haiku, Inc. to forgo
their responsibility towards the donors and give you a blank check? Why are
a tentative approval and a general epxression of confidence in your skills
not enough for you?
CU, Ingo
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