>he's not just in the admin team because of his good looks either :-) That's the reason I'm on the admin team :P For a little history, I started as one of the coders, as did most of the admins. Those with strengths (and those wanting the responsibility) were give the role of being an admin. The guy I was reporting to stepped down and so I put my hand up for the job and took over on that Pref Apps team. I then moved from more of a coding role into code support, mentoring a couple of users, being the filter for other's users code before it went into our repository. I haven't done any code in ages, more administrating work, looking after the factory, admin meetings, reading emails, various web stuff, etc. I just wanted to put across that at times, the admins might be busy and can't respond to your request immediately. Sometimes, they might want to discuss it with the rest of the admins via email or via the weekly admin meeting first. So, we're not a bunch of unapproachable guys with secret handshakes ... if you feel that you have something to contribute, we're always more than happy to look at your request / assistance, just don't get discouraged if you don't get your answer straight away. Cheers Phil Greenway (Sikosis)