>With regards to the GSoC 2007 effort, I did not mention it in relation > to Haiku Inc., but as a living example that being open and engaging the > community is in fact good, and that the old approach of doing everything > behind the scenes does deny the opportunity to people outside of the > admin group to participate and become engaged. I cannot help it, but WTF are you talking about? In the beginning of this discussion, *specific* things were talked about, where Haiku could be more open. In the course of the discussion, you exaggerated your argument to the point that Haiku the project was completely closed until very recently?!? There are numerous examples for how things where decided right in the open. For example, future development of Haiku was discussed openly in the Glass Elevator project (so much for closed "roadmap"). Another example is the Icon contest. There are many more examples. I'm sorry to say this, but in the course of argueing your position, you completely lost touch with reality. Best regards, -Stephan