Friends, I've also been lurking on the list, and I guess this is my first post. I've been planning to officially join the OpenBeOS project as a developer, but I'm waiting until I actually have the free time to devote to it. I want to thank Anton for his comprehensive, and intelligent analysis. I've developed a few apps for BeOS and am a professional programmer. But I'm still as lazy as the next guy! ;-) I agree with Anton completely, and have been happy with the direction the recent discussion regarding an "OpenSoftwareValet" like program has taken. Even though I'm a professional programmer, when I install software, I want it to be PAINLESS and take ZERO effort. I believe it is the Operating System's job to provide THE method for installing and uninstalling apps on itself. For OpenBeOS, I picture a simple and elegant install/uninstall app that has two modes. 1) You activate it from Preferences, and it shows you a list of software currently installed, and a list of newer versions if you wish to upgrade, and the option to uninstall. 2) When you install a file it comes up in install mode and gives you two options: 1) Do everything for me (I'm a lazy butt) 2) Give me options (I'm a control freak) Because sometimes I'm in one mood, and sometimes the other. ;-) I also envision this "OpenSoftwareValet" or whatever we call it, to have a Sister application created by the SAME PEOPLE that creates install files and installs with the development tools. If we make this a separate development team, I would be very interested in joining it. Thanks for your time, David ---=3D+=3D--- David Enderson Programmer Digital IMS (www.digitalims.com)=20