This may be something for the GE mailing list, but I think it pertains to this one as well. Here's why. As many of you may know, there was at one point a community effort to port Sun's Java Virtual Machine to BeOS R5. I contacted Clay Atkins (port lead) eairlier this fall after the Palm announcement, but long before BeUnited got the 'no' response. He stated that the main reason (and apparently the only reason) that they had stopped working on the port was because of the uncertainty of the future of the BeOS. To quote Mr. Atkins, "I think if we started on it from where we left off, it'd take about 3 more months to complete. Most of the remaining work is playing with makefiles." Since we now know the future of the BeOS, and now that OBOS has started to move along, I think there should be some support given to Clay and his teams efforts to port the Java VM. If we get them to complete it for R5, that will directly benefit OBOS on down the road. They were mostly concerned about spending time on something that wouldn't have any life-span. Should they finish it for R5, a re-port to OBOS shouldn't be very difficult, and their efforts wouldn't be wasted. Yes, I know how a lot of people feel about java, but it would bring a lot of apps from a lot of different places. Because I know that the port is already over half done, and that it could be released for R5, I figured I'd post this here. I also guess I'm hoping more people will contact Clay about finishing the port. I don't have his info any more (HD crashed a while back) and I can't remember his site off-hand. Perhaps someone else remembers? Basically I think if it were explained that OBOS will be here, and it will be R5 source compatible, they might be willing to finishe it. If not, why not beg him to hand over what he's got? You could probably work out a deal with Sun, and have it included in any disto of OBOS, and merge it in as another 'kit'. Like I said, this may be a GE topic, but since the port is already over half finished for R5, if it gets done before OBOS R1 is, I see no reason not to include it if a deal can be made with Sun. -Bryan -- Fortune Cookie Says: Darth Vader sleeps with a Teddywookie.