Hi Ryan! On Sat, 19 May 2012 21:03:14 -0400 Ryan Leavengood wrote: > On Thu, May 10, 2012 at 2:48 PM, Humdinger <humdingerb@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> > wrote: > > Maybe a few details like relesdates could be discussed the > > next time? > > I think such a discussion would become a bikeshed thread from hell. I doubt it. I'd imagine most would have agreed that no fixed dates are better than fantasy ones. > We > are not Microsoft or Apple and I don't think we will be held to any > of > my estimates for the beta and final R1 release. "Being held to" can mean different things. In a month some people might quote the article, looking for Alpha4, some months later for Beta1. We'll do that a few times and we're Duke Haiku Forever. At least we don't have precious shareholders breathing down our necks... :) Anyway, the cat's dead. > Though I think if we > go much past my estimates, Haiku becomes less and less relevant. So > maybe we can use those as a rough guideline. I really think we need > to > get R1 out as soon as possible, and become less perfectionists. I understand what you mean. But wishful thinking won't get us nearer Beta/R1. I doubt setting dates will motivate anyone to work on the beta-stopper (= package management). Haiku Inc. has ten thousands of dollars in the bank desperately waiting for a dev and it's not working up to now. Nevertheless, I think a contract for package management is the only way it will be done. I imagine for most of the devs PM isn't essential for how they want to use Haiku. To deal with such a complex system and to bring it to the expected polished state might just be beyond what anyone could motivate himself to do for fun... Regards, Humdinger --=-=--=-=--=-=--=-=--=-=--=-=--=-=--=-=--=-=--=- Deutsche Haiku News - Haiku Gazette http://haiku-gazette.blogspot.com