[openbeos] Re: Leaving OpenBeOS : David

  • From: Fred K Ollinger <follinge@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • To: openbeos@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
  • Date: Sat, 21 Sep 2002 15:04:52 -0400 (EDT)

> >IMHO You've hit the nail on the head - first intelligent post on the
> >subject that I've seen, and possibly one of the few people to actually
> >see what David was saying.

Well, I'll say right now, that I think the likes of Bruno and Jeff are
professionals. David's post gave me the feeling that he thought that they
were not. Are you saying that you don't think that they are professional?

They don't argue, just get work done.

> >David Reid is not trying to destroy or devalue OBOS, I'm sure he'd
> >rather be proved wrong and OBOS succeed - remember he's still providing
> >the mailing list.

He couldn't do that anyway. He doesn't have that level of power. I do
thank him for what he contributed, but I don't thank him for "not
destroying it". To say he's not out to destroy it gives his words more
weight than they hold.

> As far as more vision and less ego... I am not sure how to respond to this.

Doesn't matter as the goal is R5. The ideas of people who don't code don't
matter either way at this point (like mine).

> One half of the group says that OBOS is too hard to write and will take
> years. The other half says that we don't have enough vision. I don't get
> it. Are we looking too far ahead or not far enough? As far as ego, well,

The coders are doing a great job. The rest of us do what we usually do.
Bitch, like I'm doing now. :)

> I don't see the evidence of that, to be honest. It seems like if
> everyone doesn't fall down in awe at every person's imparted wisdom,
> they are egomaniacs. Maybe they just don't agree. I will speak about

Like the people who come up w/ a 'great idea' which is really a way to
make R1 to look more like Win XP and less like R5.

> it. If that is wrong, then so be it. But I would rather be wrong in
> running R1, be prideful in accomplishing something, than being all
> humble and running some other OS.

Humilty/egoism is a waste of time. People who talk in these terms do so
only b/c they lack the technical nohow to approach things. It's lame that
people bring their feelings in here at all.

David did a great job. He quit. He made some remarks to explain why. They
were valid in his own way. Great.

Now people (like me) are making more noise.

How does this get work done? How does this further the project? Heck, it's
such a waste of time that it doesn't even _hinder_ the project. I'm sure
that the real developers stopped reading this list months ago and email
each other privately.

People that need to phrase everything in terms of their own private
feelings would probably be happier on a flower arranging mailing list or

Anyway, I think that the coders did a great job. There are never enough of
them and this is taking a long time. There are many people who complain.
Who cares? Best to just have a good time w/ this project. No need to get
upset of take any of this personally.


Fred Ollinger

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