[haiku] Re: Japanese Haiku distribution "Basho" R1/Alpha 1 released

  • From: "Jorge G. Mare" <koki@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • To: haiku@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
  • Date: Tue, 06 Oct 2009 14:16:25

Hi Ryan,

Ryan Leavengood wrote on Tue, 6 Oct 2009 14:21:21 -0400:
> It is my opinion that something like this could be discussed more out
> in the open. There is nothing secret about our distro guidelines, and
> while I think we all appreciate the efforts of someone like SHINTA to
> make Haiku easier to use for Japanese users, the reality is he did 
> not
> follow the distro guidelines.

Well, the issue was brought up in this public list, and nobody said 
anything until (I responded) today. I can't help but wonder why not 
respond here instead of taking the dicussion to the Haiku Inc. closed 
mailing list...

> In the future I will push for things like this to be discussed more
> openly. I think the Haiku, Inc. list is being misused to avoid
> "hurting feelings" or whatever the excuse might be to discuss things
> privately. I have been guilty in the past of discussing things their
> that could be discussed on this list, and from now on I will default
> to sending emails here.

I would love to see this happen, particularly the part as it relates to 
"the fear of hurting feelings". I wish people here could develop a 
thicker skin so that issues that may require unpopular decisions can be 
discussed on the public lists openly, even bluntly if needed.

> But what we need from the people on this list is the understanding
> that an email from me or Urias or Matt or Axel does not automatically
> represent the "Haiku, Inc. response". In fact I think we should move
> the role of Haiku, Inc. to strictly about managing the donations, the
> use of that donated money and resources bought with that money, and
> trademarks. Not some "ultimate decider" in all things Haiku related.

The grey area surrounding Haiku Inc. plays against you here. This is 
exactly why it is so important to clearly define Haiku Inc.'s role and 
scope of authority (particuarly the latter) and disclose both in an 
official venue (the Haiku website). The day that this happens, that 
understanding that you would like to have from the community will come 

By not addressing this issue, you perpetuate this situation where people 
unknowingly look up to or expect from Haiku Inc. and their presumed 
members decisions that in many cases are not of their competence at 


Jorge/aka Koki

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