[openbeos] Re: Goodbye from me...
- From: D <triphid@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: openbeos@xxxxxxxxxxxxx,"Michael Phipps" <mphipps1@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Sat, 9 Nov 2002 11:37:28 -0500
Man, I wasn't supposed to say anything in here EVER, I was just lurking and
hoping, like so many others, but I think I have stuff to say now. Shit. The
whole openbeos thing has got so ugly lately, all of this because it all goes
public, all of it, the name, the licence, the code, this, that, you guys are
open WIDE, reporting everything, hoping people will act decent. Well guess
what, people are stupid. Ever sat back and looked at it from the outside? You
let complete morons poison your project, YOUR work, there are like 7-8 people
working hard on it, and a thousand whining retards destroying it everyday.
And I will spare the few assholes who left because they were unhappy and
explained the reasons why two months later in some shitty excuse for an open
letter. Stop listening to people, do your stuff. This name vote is the best
example of what I'm saying. You guys are writing code, making a dream come
true, stop letting everybody else interfere. This is your baby.
You guys are doing a great great job, never forget that either.
That's it :)
D
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On November 9, 2002 09:08 pm, Michael Phipps wrote:
> First of all, Andrew, I am sorry to see you go. It was fun working with
> you.
>
> As far as whether Walter was a bad joke or not, whether I should have
> stopped it or not, well, to be brutally honest, it is "edgy" - it comes
> close to the border of "OK", in my mind.
>
> But. And I say this more forcefully than the the previous. Even if a joke
> has been carried on too far (and that "fact" is still somewhat debatable),
> the *WORST* you could chalk it up to is bad judgement. The *WORST*. We
> never announced that was the name. A news item was posted about an
> interesting link. To assume that would be the name seems a little strange
> to me. Wouldn't we post with a big, huge *HEY - THIS IS OUR NEW NAME*. Not
> a little, offhanded "Check this out". The truth of it is, I did find the
> website to be kind of funny.
>
> You know, (and I know that many people will find this hard to believe), we
> did work really hard on the names. We (collectively, the admin team)
> probably put 100 or so hours into choosing. From the initial culling to
> the list of 100 or so to the admin team hacking it down to about 15. And in
> the middle of it, BGA says "let's just call it Walter". It immediately cut
> through all of the tension and unhappiness that we had from trying to
> choose names. We really put our hearts into this. And the criticism has
> been most unpleasent. Especially since *NO ONE* has a better name. You may
> like your name better. But no single name has been uttered so far that
> everyone who hears it just gasps and says *HEY* - that's it. Not one. Why
> is that? Becuase this stuff is all subjective. Name choices seem to be like
> belly buttons (navels) - everyone has one and no one likes anyone elses.
> There was as much tension in the admin meetings over the names as there was
> on this list. That is why the admi! n team is so cranky over this - we have
> been looking at this for months. BGA's joke cut right through the middle of
> that and made everyone laugh a little. It was worth it.
>
> Now was it as successful out here (on the general list)? No. And I am a
> little sad about that. I always wanted to think better of the BeOS
> community. This community has some outstanding citizens. I am not going to
> call you out by name - you know who you are. But there is also something of
> a negative attitude, too. I could post mail messages from the very
> beginning of this project. Basically, not one single decision has ever been
> made that someone didn't like.
>
> You remember:
>
> You're not GPL? That sucks.
> You're not using the XXX kernel? That sucks.
> No C++ in the kernel? That sucks.
> You're still using C and C++? That sucks.
> You won't promise to support my XXX hardware? That sucks.
> You don't like name XXX? That sucks.
> You aren't making a distro? That sucks.
> You aren't using X Windows? That sucks.
> You are using sourceforge? That sucks.
> You are using makefiles? That sucks.
> You are using Jamfiles? That sucks.
> You are using CVS? That sucks.
>
> We've heard them all. Every one.
>
> Am I saying that everyone has to agree with everything that we do? Of
> course not. And I have had some very polite, very courteous emails on most
> of these topics. It isn't the dissent. It is the tone. It is the judgement
> without even assuming that a reasonable decision was made.
>
> The toughest personal issue that I have with this community is the lack of
> kindness. Sometimes we say things to each other that we would *NEVER* say
> in person. Email makes that too easy. Way too easy. Sometimes we forget
> that we are talking to real human beings with feelings and ideas of their
> own.
>
> You don't like BGA's joke? Fine. You don't like the name list? Fine. But
> treat both as what they are. The results of someone else's imagination. You
> know, 15 *OF YOU* suggested the names on that list. How would you like to
> be one of those people? How would you like to hear people scoff at the name
> you suggested? Say it's stupid. Or that it sounds like a shoe company or
> whatever? Come on.
>
> Bah. Enough of this. This has taken up way too much of my time. I am going
> to go write some code. And put a lot of thought into where we go from here.
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