On Tue, Mar 25, 2008 at 8:23 PM, Urias McCullough <umccullough@xxxxxxxxx> wrote: > On 25/03/2008, Michael Lotz <mmlr@xxxxxxxx> wrote: > > On Tue, 25 Mar 2008 18:17:18 -0400, Karl vom Dorff wrote > > > I take the side that the software might be good for developers who > don't > > > want to bother setting up a build environment, download the entire > > > source, and then compile it and figure out why there's isn't an > > > *.iso etc. They just burn it, test it, and maybe as a result submit > > > patches or fixes to Haiku. Or, maybe users might have the same issue, > > > and later submit bug reports or add their hardware to our hardware > database. > > > > I am sorry, but I find this a rather naive view. If a developer does > want to > > give Haiku a try for the first time, then the harddisk images are way > better > > to do this. That's probably also the reason why they are so easily > available. > > I have to agree with Michael on this point - true developers probably > won't find the LiveCD very useful, enticing, or otherwise thrilling. > It's boring. Developers will want to use the "real-deal". Where they > can alter some code, compile, and see their changes immediately on the > next boot. Or better yet - when they can recompile bits of Haiku from > within Haiku and see their changes immediately. Using LiveCDs for > development is HIGHLY unlikely. > > For testing hardware compatibility, on the other hand, or giving a > quick demo of what Haiku looks like and how it works - a LiveCD is > somewhat useful. I imagine when I'll be able to whip out a Haiku > LiveCD while chatting with someone - pop it into their computer, and > give them a quick demo of what Haiku is. That day has not arrived yet. > The most important use of a LiveCD will be to use for installing Haiku > when that becomes a reality (which it hasn't yet). > > For example, I gave a coworker a Haiku LiveCD the other day to test on > a couple of his machines at home - and all he reported back to me was > that none of them worked. Wow... what a let down. But, he's also seen > it running in action before on my laptop, however, so he knows it does > work in the proper circumstances. > > If you're going to provide public LiveCDs - you have to assume (or > even hope) the people downloading them are likely not interested in > development of Haiku at this point. They're most likely going to be > eager individuals who want to see what the hype is about - or just see > if it runs on their hardware yet. And if it fails to run - when are > they likely to try it again? in a month? in a year? > > So anyway, I say all this from a non-Haiku-developer position (even > though I do develop software for a living). Everything I say is of > course my own opinion, and even my opinion has changed somewhat over > the years to be more conservative about releasing Haiku to the public > en-masse. I think that using Haiku in VMWare is a much better > experience for someone who just wants to see what it's all about and > how it works. > > Sorry for rambling :) > > - Urias > > It's hard to say, I agree with both sides of the story. I think maybe we should make the CD version available to registered members only. The public won't see it, and there's only >250 members at Haikuware - I think they're all well aware of where Haiku stands at this point as well. Haiku is based on the work of a handful of developers, and even if just one doesn't agree with these ideas, it's enough for me ;) Thanks for the input Michael. -- Karl vom Dorff B.Sc (Hons) Biology, (German minor) http://www.karlvd.com http://www.clubloreley.org http://www.haikuware.com