Hey Marcus et al., >We really need to find out if there a any people here who actually can code a kernel and an OS. I've got *theoretical* experience in kernel-land, having taking some courses on the subject at school, and written some small-to-moderate sized chunks of system code for school projects, but that doesn't exactly translate into "team lead" at this point. :) Especially since my interests are more in the graphics arena. I'd feel comfortable contributing to development in those areas, however, if work was needed. OTOH, I've been thinking about the difficulties inherent in reverse- engineering something like app_server, particularly given that we haven't reached consensus (is this *possible*?) as to how to proceed with the kernel (Mach, NewOS, ModulOS, from scratch, etc.). I'm thinking right now (and of course, all of this is contingent on what Palm decides to do) that it might be interesting to create an abstraction layer - an app_server that renders a virtual desktop into a BDirectWindow, say, so that the kinks can be worked out in user-land, and once things firm up as far as the kernel goes the two could be mated together. Just some early musing that I'd thought I'd share, but let me say now that I appreciate the efforts of those members of the community who are making the effort to contact Palm and to try and salvage something of the whole situation. I've filled out the survey at BeFAQs, and several other petitions, with a warm fuzzy feeling that things are finally progressing, one way or the other. Resolution is at hand; we're finally getting out of Limbo. :) Take it easy, Rob