On 2010-04-23 at 09:06:42 [+0200], Jorge G. Mare <koki@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: > Matt Madia wrote: > > On Fri, Apr 23, 2010 at 05:40, Jorge G. Mare <koki@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: > > > >> So, for example, a HUG selling their own Haiku t-shirts at conferences > >> where > >> they represent Haiku and using the revenue to pay for the expenses of > >> attending the show is alright IMO. > >> > > > > This needs to be explicitly granted by the owners of the trademark. > > This is not to say that only the NPO will be aware or part of the > > discussion, rather that the owners are the only ones who can give the > > official seal of approval to those requesting to use it. > > Just like the code, the trademarks are also contributions from > volunteers. So even when Haiku Inc. does in fact hold ownership from a > legal POV, the body of contributors should also have a say on how the > trademarks are used, and it should not be at the exclusive discretion of > the NPO. Apples and oranges. By putting the code under the MIT license the contributors have explicitly allowed anyone to use it on very lax conditions. Neither the code contributors nor Haiku, Inc. nor "the community" (whoever this might be) have any further say in how the code is used. My stance regarding trademark and fund management: That's what Haiku, Inc. was created for. The NPO is the legal owner of both and its BOD should make the decisions. I'm all for discussing matters publicly, but I wouldn't even see how to organize that "contributors have a say". A vote? Then who is to vote? And how much weight do money donors' votes have? Maybe one vote per $20? Does booth manning time count? How much are artwork contributions worth? IMO, the easiest way is to keep things mostly one-way: Contributors contribute (and discuss), Haiku, Inc. decides. If you're not happy with a decision, voice your opinion. If you're repeatedly unhappy, stop contributing. CU, Ingo