[haiku-development] Re: Stack and Tile

  • From: Hong Yul Yang <hongyul.yang@xxxxxxxxx>
  • To: haiku-development@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
  • Date: Fri, 16 Apr 2010 15:45:57 +1200

Hi all,

I never imagined the issues with svn access would generate this much
heat. It would be advantageous for us to get commit access but at the
same time we don't want to force this on you guys either and cause any
further controversy.

I have been doing some refactoring work on the S&T code with the goal
of addressing the quality/stability issue but it came to a halt around
late February when I moved positions and could no longer spend the
time to continue the refactoring. I just found out from Christof that
in a few weeks there is going to be a PhD student to carry on the work
(so Stephan, your last point is quite relevant!)

So that's where it is at the moment on our side. Since there won't be
much (if any) development work until the student arrives perhaps we
can save the discussion til then? Or would it be better to sort this
issue out beforehand.. I don't know.

Hong Yul

On Fri, Apr 16, 2010 at 8:25 AM, Stephan Assmus <superstippi@xxxxxx> wrote:
> On 2010-04-15 at 19:48:42 [+0200], Jorge G. Mare <koki@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>> Humdinger wrote:
>> > -- Jorge G. Mare, on Thu, 15 Apr 2010 09:50:17 -0700:
>> >
>> >> IOW, the argument that there were compelling reasons to overturn what
>> >> was an overwhelming +1 vote is very hard to swallow and sets a bad
>> >> precedent that it is OK to call for a vote and then ignore the
>> >> outcome.
>> >>
>> >
>> > Be that as it may. I can't see the use of discussing granting svn
>> > access now if there isn't even a Stack&Tile developer asking for it at
>> > this time. Or is there?
>> >
>> Ehem... It was *a Haiku developer not me* who started this thread asking
>> why we have not granted commit access to the S&T devs. The fact is that
>> the S&T devs have not asked for anything, not now, not then. It was
>> Haiku's own initiative to setup the S&T branch and then start the vote,
>> and that's the point: that you do all this (create a branch, start a
>> vote, etc.), raise and expectation, and then just drop the whole thing
>> for no real reason.
> "for no real reason" -- that's the part where you are wrong. Please accept
> the simple fact that someone may start a vote prematurely, that even quite
> a few developers cast their vote until it is made clear by someone else
> that the vote was premature. Such is life. No harm intended and no harm
> done. It doesn't always have to be about how something is flawed in this
> project.
> Stack & Tile is a cool feature, many people have said this. Yes, many
> people want to see it in trunk eventually and from time to time someone
> asks about it's status on the mailing lists. Personally I believe it's the
> most elegant solution to the problem that tabbed interfaces are trying to
> fix.
> However, it has also been pointed out many times that S&T does not yet
> integrate as nicely/smoothly as it should. Stability problems were pointed
> out and it isn't even clear to me personally if the last iteration of the
> patch fixes at least those or not. If there is no one working on it at the
> moment, what's the point in discussing commit access? The whole project
> depends on some students being assigned to it at the University of
> Auckland, or us doing it ourselves. Who would even get commit access? The
> last student who worked on it and probably moved on to something else?
> Best regards,
> -Stephan

Hong Yul

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