On Wed, Jan 3, 2018 at 12:11 PM, Adrien Destugues <pulkomandy@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
wrote:
On Wed, Jan 03, 2018 at 09:44:21AM +0100, Dario Casalinuovo wrote:
I think the Haiku project seriously needs a community manager, at leastMr.
someone involved in public relations. Wait...isn't it something for the
President?
Not with the current way things are organized, I'd say.
The inc. was created only as a way to legally accept donations. AS a
result, it tries hard to not get involved in any decisions or actions
regarding the development of the project. You have to understand that
the inc is a *passive* entity. The Haiku project is where decisions are
taken and where actions are made (writing code, doing community
management, etc).
So, when the project decides money should be spent on
something, they ask the inc about it, and the inc is supposed to not get
in the way (unless they don't have enough money or need to arbitrate
between different ideas).
If you try to talk to the inc as if they were an active entity, and
could decide on their own to spend money on something, it won't work.
I'm not contradicting myself. Those students to be more motivated to takedon't
that path needs to know they will not be alone in the desert. If you
understand that I don't have much to say. There's a strong differencethat's
between "ask the ml" and "there's a pool in support of you" even if
the same thing in the end.
Ok, I can understand that. If all we need to do is improve our
communication, then it's as easy as sending some mails to the students
(I tried to do that as part of my GSoC org admin role, but I may not
have thought of everything I should include). Anyone else can also send
these e-mails or remind me to do so.
We can also improve our GSoC pages. They are on the website and open to
pull requests. I just copy-paste the same thing every year, with minor
edits, because I don't have much to add to it, but if you do, please
submit a pull request improving the pages. It will be more productive
and concrete than e-mails here.
wereGetting students involved should happen *during* GSoC. If that doesn't
work, my conclusion is that they are not that interested anyway and
doing it for the money (or the T-Shirt), but not for Haiku. Or maybe
there are other problems (communication again? bad mentoring?) and the
students did not get involved as they hoped. I'm afraid
throwing more money at the students is not going to improve this. We
need to make the project a great place to work and have exciting things
happening, so that talented people join us because they think the
project is interesting and going in the right direction.
Wait, things like having a decent media framework?
I would say the package manager is a case where this works well. It is
something I can demo to developers and they will say "oh, cool".
Replicants and hey-scripting are other places where we could do great
things.
Media probably has some potential as well but I would say other OS are
already doing pretty well in that area (with Jack on Linux, for
example). MIDI is however a place where we are still way ahead of other
systems.
The event was funded in time. I know there have been some problems infocus
the past, I think the inc is aware of it as well, and they are working
to improve things. So let's not look too much at past problems and
Haikuon the present and future?
You guys continue to say me certain things, I will continue to reply
Inc. is dysfunctional.
Saying that does not help. Let's try to improve things.
I will continue to ask those people to resign as well, at least for the
sake of decorum.
And then, what? Those people are at least trying to do some work, and
they continue doing so because no one offers to replace them. If they
resign and no one wants to replace, we are in an even worse situation.
I am grateful for them to at least try to keep things running, and doing
their best at it. It certainly could be better in many aspects, but if
no one else wants to do the work, there is not much we can do.
