[haiku-development] Re: Offer an extension to successful GSoC students
- From: "Adrien Destugues" <pulkomandy@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: haiku-development@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Fri, 05 Jan 2018 09:40:51 +0000
5 janvier 2018 10:08 "Dario Casalinuovo" <b.vitruvio@xxxxxxxxx> a écrit:
You may be missing something, Haiku Inc. doesn't own the word "haiku", just
like Microsoft doesn't
own the word "windows".
The « ... trademarks serve to identify a particular business as the source of
goods or services. »
The haiku word is so generic that the Haiku trademark consist of the logo and
the usage associated
to OS products, let's say I create an android app called Haiku tomorrow, then
no trademark
infringement here. This to say, even if someone registered the cloak before
us, then he would be
not infringing anything.
Trademark for the logo:
http://www.haiku-inc.org/documents/haiku_inc-uspto-registration_certificate-85093759.pdf
Trademark for the name:
http://www.haiku-inc.org/documents/haiku_inc-uspto-registration_certificate-85181779.pdf
You are right however that both trademarks apply only in the field of operating
systems.
Still, it makes sense that the Inc takes care of everything dealing with the
Haiku name and identity,
even if only marginally related to trademarks in the legal sense. For similar
reasons, they own the
various Haiku domain names (haiku-os.org, haiku-inc.org and haiku-files.org),
and the freenode cloak
should go in the same bucket. I don't want these to be owned by some random
contributor.
If what you say was true, then Haiku Inc. would be able to shut down any non
official channel on
freenode related to Haiku, that simply isn't true.
Anyway, the cloak is something associated to haiku development and community,
so certainly Haiku
Inc. doesn't have nothing to protect from a developer, eventually it's the
exact opposite: I may
want Haiku Inc. to don't interfere with anything related the everyday life of
development. I may do
a call for fair use too and so on.
You may develop whatever you want. However, you may not be able to call the
result "Haiku". For this
reason, any build you make with the default "configure" settings is de-branded
("About Haiku" is renamed
"About System", logos are removed in various places, etc). The inc is
responsible for the trademark and
allows project members to use it in some cases: official builds (nightlies and
releases), our websites, etc.
They don't allow other use cases (printing and selling stickers or t-shirts,
for example) and will take
care of that on their own. Recently I ordered a new batch of stickers, and used
Haiku inc funds for it.
These will be handed out for free at FOSDEM and other conferences we attend.
Did you know in reality the first run of GCI was before 2010? They then
stopped for two years,
changed rules and restarted in 2010. Also you may be interested to know I was
one of the early
supporters of GCI in 2010 when Matt asked if Haiku should apply. That was a
pity year due to the
flood of translation tasks, which were removed two editions later for obvious
reasons (cheating
etc.).
Yes, in 2008 there was GHOP (
https://developers.google.com/open-source/ghop/ ;
), but technically it
is not Google Code-In ;)
I was also one of the mentors for the 2010 edition. It was not a very pleasing
experience but
the team at Google has been listening to our feedback and modified the rules to
improve things.
Removal of translation tasks was not the only change, they also stopped giving
money to the
participants and instead they win a trip to Google. This had the effect that
contestants are
entering the contest for the fun/challenge of participating. In 2010 there were
cheating cases
where students would let their parents complete the tasks, so they could earn
some money, for example.
At the GSoC mentor summit this year I attended the GCI session, where we also
explained to other orgs
what to expect of GCI and how to prepare for it. I also had an IRC meeting with
people from osgeo
as they had a bit of trouble figuring out how exactly GCI worked and what to
expect.
Meeting notes if you are interested:
https://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Google_Code_In_2017
Another example of how the project is useful in acquiring then sharing
knowledge.
Except financial reports, does Haiku Inc. ever stated which kind of
*competence* is seeking?
They are not actively seeking for anything. Once again, the inc is a passive
entity and people can
contribute there just like they can contribute code. The Haiku project
accepts contributions, it
does not seek for coders. The inc is just the same. So if you have ideas
that you can't make happen
without resources from the inc, you can join there and get access to their
private data. The tasks
for the inc are:
- Make sure we pay for our hosting, domain names, etc in time
- Protect our trademarks (includes paying the fee for keeping our
registration + notifying people
who violate the terms of use)
- Occasional vote on wether or not to fund something (contract, coding
sprint, travel and hosting
costs for attending conferences)
- Write financial reports to keep track of what is earned, what is spent,
- Keep an eye on donation processors we could use in addition to the
existing ones
- Keep the donation meter and donation page up to date (it should list "big"
donors depending on
the amount they give)
Basically that's about it. Pretty boring tasks.
I have a diploma in economics and companies management, I can surely do
everything related managing
a little company, in my country I can even do the exam to be added in the B
section of the national
register of business consultants. But I don't know anything about USA laws. I
can help basically
with everything except filling legal paperworks.
I'm sure your help at the inc would be welcome. If you manage to get in, please
have them vote a proper
system for renewing membership (every 2 years or so) so inactive people
automatically get removed.
This would already solve a great part of our ongoing problems.
--
Adrien.
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