On 23/11/12 20:38, John Scipione wrote: [...] > The application icon sends the right message, as would the > application's name "Tracker" as would the word "Application". The app > icon has the benefit of being more compact, although I'm not sure that > compactness is really needed. I should point out that one of the biggest reactions I get when I show people Haiku is 'oh my god! I know how to use this! Everything's where I expect it to be!'. As such I would suggest having that first menu called 'File' --- yes, I know it makes absolutely no sense abstraction-wise, but people still instinctively look for it, even in an application which doesn't use files. An application without File looks weird and alien. (And, yes, the second menu should be 'Edit'.) The standard places I've seen for a Preferences menu item is on File or Edit. The standard place for About is either on File or Help. I agree that Haiku should make things as consistent as possible, but moving away from the de-facto UI standards is something that should be done with great caution --- look what it did to Gnome (and Metro)... -- ââââ ïïïïïïïïïïïïïï âââââ http://www.cowlark.com âââââ â "Of course, on a sufficiently small planet, 40 km/hr is, in fact, â sufficient to punt the elastic spherical cow into low orbit." --- â Brooks Moses on r.a.sf.c