My two cents is this: Tyring to negotiate with Adobe for access to source code for anything less than Flash 9 & AIR (flex 2 applications) would be pointless. Without being able to port the whole platform, we'd be better off porting the open-source implementation and telling Adobe to stick it. Now if they were willing to negotiate with Haiku, Inc. and provide the SDK / source access as a tax-deductible donation (Haiku, Inc. has some leverage here, if they choose to use it) under the condition that the developers who have access to it are under strict NDA, then it might make sense to pursue this route. That would have to be up to the folks at the NPO, though to take on negotiations (or delegate responsibility and authority to enter negotiations) to make it happen. As a non-profit, Haiku is in a unique position to pay for licenses with tax deductions. You donate us something worth $X, and you get to not pay $X to the government! It's almost like Haiku, Inc. is paying them. -Bryan On Tue, 24 Jul 2007 20:58:28 +0200 CEST, "François Revol" <revol@xxxxxxx> wrote: >> Ryan Leavengood wrote: >> > So I was thinking that there is probably about zero chance that >> > Adobe >> > would port Flash to Haiku, at least in the foreseeable future. But >> > they have made a Linux version, even supporting the latest Flash 9. >> > So >> > if we want to get Flash support on Haiku, there are at least two >> > options: >> >> When Flash was a Macromedia product, they were quite good at >> licensing >> it to people (so people could add flash support to their embedded >> devices for example). A company called the General Coffee Company >> paid >> up the money for the SDK and produced the Flash 4 plugin for BeOS. >> Now >> obviously it was closed source and required an investment from the >> company to get the docs, but it still showed a willingness from >> Macromedia to support 3rd party ports. I've found the page on Adobe's >> site to show they still support this licensing model: >> http://www.adobe.com/products/flashplayer_sdk/ >> > > I've heard about licencing negociations with macromedia (guess what > for) > which involved paying quite a lot, much more than realistic, and they > weren't much flexible... maybe now Adobe owns it it's better, dunno... > > Still, flash is bad anyway. :p > > > François.