Are there any objections to adding Paladin and/or BurnItNow as OptionalPacakges? Perhaps putting Paladin into one of the existing Development groups or a new Development group? BurnItNow still needs some more testing and feedback before I'd include it, but just putting the question out for now. And what about Ruby and Lua? We have binaries of those (http://ports-space.haiku-files.org/index.php?directory=dev-lang), but they aren't available as OptionalPackages yet, should we add them? -scottmc