"Jorge Mare" <kokitomare@xxxxxxxxx> wrote: ... > 2) Length of the Developers and Contributors lists > > These lists are ridiculously long Most people don´t stay to read the credits after the movie. Does that mean they should be dropped or cut? Of course not. These things matter to all the people involved. So what if its pride or bias. Of course we want to keep the list! In some form. It´s part of the culture, open-source and other forms before it, like the Amiga/Atari demoscenes. Haiku as a product is primarily code and data. (binaries, text, images, sounds, documentation) Its easy to track contributions of these forms of code and data, regardless of whether it has been contributed directly or indirectly, and its usually developers (of some kind) who make these kind of contributions and thus end up in the credits. Such lists usually start from a copyright point-of-view. This is probably why also -our- list is primarily enumerating contributors of copyrightable material. I agree that it would be good to find a way to also honor contributors of support, marketing, community activities, accounting, legal advice, etc. (I apologize for not coming up with a long list. I´m sure there are all kinds of contributions one could list. Recurring donations maybe! ;) About putting list online. If so, why not try to make a database of all kinds of contributions, which can be sliced and diced and presented in all kinds of ways. Most productive developer (in lines of code), best liked person (voting), etc. Data could be extracted from SVN to show which persons contributed the most code to the current release, the previous release, etc. I personally think the credit list was already reasonably "accurate, concise, and manageable" and I believe that opening up the list to other forms of contribution would makes it a lot less of all three. But I do realize that, from a point of view of a wider project-/product definition than one limited to what-goes-in-the-distro, the credits list in its current form can be seen as unfair. /Jonas.