[haiku-commits] Re: haiku: hrev46304 - src/kits/interface
- From: John Scipione <jscipione@xxxxxxxxx>
- To: "haiku-commits@xxxxxxxxxxxxx" <haiku-commits@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2013 21:06:07 -0400
On Thursday, October 31, 2013, Ingo Weinhold wrote:
> On 11/01/2013 12:12 AM, John Scipione wrote:
>
>> On Thu, Oct 31, 2013 at 6:59 PM, Ingo Weinhold <ingo_weinhold@xxxxxx>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> On 10/31/2013 11:16 PM, John Scipione wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 10/31/2013 10:45 PM, John Scipione wrote:
>>>>>
>>>> First of all, why do you need to use shift?
>>>>
>>>> Here is my reasoning for using control, and reserving shift:
>>>>
>>>> Using control for scrolling faster is better because using shift
>>>> _changes_ the current default, where as using control restricts it,
>>>> but, for those who use control already won't notice.
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Shift has been the modifier for about a year [1]. It just hadn't been
>>> applied for menus and the Deskbar as well.
>>>
>>
>> It wasn't a well thought out decision, just something that happened at
>> BeGeistert, from my perspective at least, without any kind of thought
>> process behind it. I complained about it then, but, nothing happened
>>
>
> Yes, you complained bitterly and it was clear to everyone that you
> couldn't live with this change [1].
I think you forgot the sarcasm tag.
> and I let it sit, and now you unwittingly stepped into this discussion
>> by finishing the job...
>>
>
> AFAICT there hadn't been a discussion.
You did a good thing and made this work consistently. I place no blame on
you and I'm sorry that you get the brunt on this just because you did the
job. No good dead goes unpunished.
Using shift is better for horizontal scrolling because Mac OS Finder
>>>> did it.
>>>>
>>>
>>> "Did" as in doesn't anymore?
>>>
>>
>> Shift works like this in just about every app with a horizontal scroll
>> bar on Mac OS and Mac OS X and has since Mac OS Finder introduced the
>> concept in System 6 or so on the Mac side of the fence.
>>
>
> TBH, I couldn't care less about horizontal scrolling. Which modifier is
> used in MacOS X for fast scrolling?
I do care though, that's why I've kicked the idea around in the back of my
brain for a while, sorry I'm only brought it up now.
OS X doesn't have one for that but Haiku did and for the longest time it
was activated using control option or command. I used control and it sunk
into my muscle memory. Command had to go because it's reserved by apps and
WebPositive uses it for zooming. So somebody (Oliver I guess) changed it to
shift which is ok except for the reasons I outlined, muscle memory and I
would like to use shift for horizontal scrolling.
> I don't see how; it is optimal already. :-)
>>>
>>> http://cgit.haiku-os.org/**haiku/commit/?id=**
>>> 410d1973c1bd568785c97b437a3857**b122054fd7<http://cgit.haiku-os.org/haiku/commit/?id=410d1973c1bd568785c97b437a3857b122054fd7>
>>>
>>
>> Again, where did the decision behind this commit come from? If
>> possible, I'd like to revisit it.
>>
>> It's not life or death, but, if possible, it would be better if were
>> to change the modifier used here to Control rather than Shift. Control
>> has better Gestalt,
>>
>
> Seriously?
>
> all else being equal, which, as far as I know, it
>> is.
>
>
There is no reason to use shift and 2 reasons I've given not to. Like I
said, it's not life or death, just would be nice to make it control if it's
not too much trouble.
Sorry you're the one to receive all this, you didn't do anything wrong, you
just triggered the thoughts that were already brewing in my head.
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