[openbeos-cdt] Re: IRC chat session
- From: Kristof Polleunis aka BeAdingo <kristof_polleunis@xxxxxxxxx>
- To: openbeos-cdt@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Wed, 17 Apr 2002 03:40:11 -0700 (PDT)
It's hard for me to be on those IRC sessions. I've
got a 3 months old son. As you know or maybe don't
know yet this doesn't leave you with much time too
sleep or work. I really can't afford (for health
reasons) to stay up (I'm in Europe) for these
sessions.
I don't think these IRC meetings are a bad idea, but
not everyone in the team can participate due to
several reasons,timezones, other appointments, (having
a life ;-) or better a wife) etc.
Forums or mailinglist may be slower but at least
everyone can participate.
I hope a list will be created with the names we came
up with until now. Debro could put it on his site
maybe. A list with things/names too avoid etc.
We should be able to narrow our choices and come up
with something.
Personal favorites:
BEBOP: (the music was inventive, innovative,
groundbreaking, with an emphasis on virtuoso
performance + contains the word Be and Op from Open)
EYESYS: (for Isis, Egyptian, with an eye as symbol,
first words of the myth:'Isis was a clever woman...
more intelligent than countless gods... she was
ignorant of nothing in heaven or on earth')
JAFFA: (Type of Orange see Apple or sol-aris for sun)
OXYGEN: (Is needed for life, pretty obvious...)
SCARAB: (which is a be-atle, the Egyptians
immortalized the scarab beetle as sacred . The
Egyptians believed that the scarab beetle represented
their sun god, Ra. Ra was the Egyptian god who rolled
the sun across the sky and buried it each night) But
then again it rolls dung;-)
TERRA: (Lating for earth, could be combined with
Terracotta for colorscheme.
TUI:(Latin for "yours", belonging to the community)
IDUN: (Old Norse
Goddess of youth, her name means "The Rejuvenating
One". She is married to Bragi and is the keeper of the
"Apples" which keep the gods eternally young).
The eternal young one who keeps the Apples hmm a good
one for Apple ;-)
BeAdingo
--- debro@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx wrote:
>
> attached files are not allowed, sorry :P
>
> debro
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Andrew Gildehaus" <agildehaus@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> To: <openbeos-cdt@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Tuesday, April 16, 2002 6:21 PM
> Subject: [openbeos-cdt] Re: IRC chat session
>
>
> > see attatched
> >
> > Andrew
> >
> >
> > On 2002-04-17 at 02:15:56 [+0000], you wrote:
> > >
> > > Crud. It was never. Can you post the
> transcript to the mailing list?
> > > Sorry I didn't make it!
> > > -Jace
> > >
> > > On 2002-04-16 at 18:32:33 [-0400],
> openbeos-cdt@xxxxxxxxxxxxx wrote:
> > > > Well... better late than never...
> > > > http://openbeos.laevolucion.com/chat/index.htm
> > > > You can join the irc.openprojects.net channel
> through that url. I
> > > > hope it works for you!
> > > > debro
> >
> > -- Attached file included as plaintext by Ecartis
> --
> > -- File: #obos-cdt Clipping
> >
> > *** Now talking in #obos-cdt
> > *** Topic: OpenBeOS Creative Team
> > *** Topic set by ChanServ @ Tuesday Apr 09 2002
> 05:54 AM GMT
> > -ChanServ- [#obos-cdt] welcome to the openbeos
> creative team irc channel
> > *** Channel mode for #obos-cdt: +n
> > -ChanServ- Password identification is required for
> [IDENTIFY]
> > -ChanServ- Type /msg NickServ IDENTIFY <password>
> and retry
> > <debro> hi!
> > -NickServ- Password accepted - you are now
> recognized
> > *** User mode changed: +e
> > -MemoServ- You have no new memos
> > -ChanServ- The channel [5ubejadi] is not
> registered
> > -ChanServ- An access level of [35] is required for
> [OP] on #obos-cdt
> > <Androo> hiya debro
> > -ChanServ- Password accepted - you are now
> recognized as a founder for
> [#obos-cdt]
> > *** ChanServ set mode +o Androo
> > <debro> we are a little bit early :P
> > *** Androo set mode +o debro
> > <debro> thnx
> > <Androo> yeah :)
> > -ChanServ- Unknown command [kick]
> > -ChanServ- ChanServ allows you to register and
> control various
> > -ChanServ- aspects of channels. ChanServ can
> often prevent
> > -ChanServ- malicious users from "taking over"
> channels by limiting
> > -ChanServ- who is allowed channel operator
> priviliges. Any channel
> > -ChanServ- which is not used for two weeks, will
> automatically be
> > -ChanServ- cancelled. ChanServ's commands are
> listed below.
> > -ChanServ- For more information on a specific
> command, type
> > -ChanServ- /msg ChanServ help <command>.
> > -ChanServ-
> > -ChanServ- REGISTER Register a channel
> > -ChanServ- DROP Cancel the registration
> of a channel
> > -ChanServ- IDENTIFY Identify yourself with
> your password
> > -ChanServ- SET Set various channel
> options
> > -ChanServ- ACCESS Modify the list of
> privileged users
> > -ChanServ- AKICK Maintain the AutoKick
> list
> > -ChanServ- LEVEL Change the level
> required for functions
> > -ChanServ- LIST Display list of channels
> matching a pattern
> > -ChanServ- INFO Display information for
> a channel
> > -ChanServ- INVITE Invite yourself to a
> channel
> > -ChanServ- OP Op yourself on a channel
> > -ChanServ- VOICE Voice yourself on a
> channel
> > -ChanServ- UNBAN Unban yourself on a
> channel
> > -ChanServ- CLEAR Clear various channel
> modes
> > -ChanServ- Unknown command [ban]
> > -ChanServ- Syntax: SET <channel> <option>
> [parameters]
> > -ChanServ-
> > -ChanServ- Allows the channel founder or level 25
> to set various
> > -ChanServ- channel options and other information.
> All options may
> > -ChanServ- be abbreviated, such as:
> > -ChanServ- /msg ChanServ set #channel FOUND
> newfounder
> > -ChanServ- to set the FOUNDER nickname to
> "newfounder". For more
> > -ChanServ- specific information on each option,
> type:
> > -ChanServ- /msg ChanServ HELP SET <option>
> > -ChanServ-
> > -ChanServ- Available options:
> > -ChanServ-
> > -ChanServ- FOUNDER Set the founder of a
> channel (founder)
> > -ChanServ- SUCCESSOR Set the successor for
> the channel
> > -ChanServ- PASSWORD Set the founder
> password (founder)
> > -ChanServ- MLOCK Lock channel modes on
> or off
> > -ChanServ- TOPIC Change the topic on a
> channel
> > -ChanServ- TOPICLOCK Topic can only be
> changed with SET TOPIC
> > -ChanServ- PRIVATE Hide channel from
> ChanServ lists
> > -ChanServ- SECUREOPS Stricter control of
> chanop status
> > -ChanServ- SECURE Activate ChanServ
> security features
> > -ChanServ- ENTRYMSG Send a message to users
> upon entry
> > -ChanServ- EMAIL Set the channel email
> address
> > -ChanServ- URL Set the channel url
> > -ChanServ- FORGET Make ChanServ forget
> your channel FOREVER
> > -ChanServ- GUARD Have ChanServ join your
> channel
> > -ChanServ- SPLITOPS Let anyone keep ops
> from a netsplit
> > -ChanServ- VERBOSE Notify chanops on
> access changes
> > <debro> so, what's up?
> > -ChanServ- The channel [guard] is not registered
> > -ChanServ- Toggled ChanGuard for channel #obos-cdt
> [OFF]
> > *** ChanServ has left the channel.
> > <Androo> been busy with my new responsibilities in
> the QA/Testing team
> > <debro> ugh... i'm not aware of anything sorry...
> > <debro> :P
> > <debro> what's your job there?
> > <Androo> lead
> > <debro> coo
> > <debro> cool
> > <debro> ohh! we went golden!
> > <debro> :P
> > <Androo> also been trying to get the CDT forums on
> a different server
> > <Androo> golden?
> > <debro> i was away for a couple of days... and
> haven't been around here
> for a while
> > <debro> i mean on the openbeos.org site
> > <debro> the "title" is golden now
> > <Androo> ah, right
> > <debro> so... we are 1:10 hrs away? :P
> > <Androo> yep
> > <debro> i'm wasting my really expensive dial up
> connection time... :P
> > <debro> and i'm not kidding
> > <debro> it's 80 cents/hour, before 10pm
> > <Androo> :(
> > <debro> it sucks to be me
> > <debro> lol
> > <Androo> I know plenty of people with metered
> service.
> > <debro> and it's 56k... wich sucks badly
> > <debro> why did they asked for buttons if they
> were gonna make their own?
> > <Androo> The author of BePDF asked for buttons,
> nobody else
> > <debro> ohh
> > <debro> then i misunderstood
> > <debro> do you i should offer myself to help with
> the official website?
> > <debro> *think
> > <Androo> I don't think it could hurt. Daniel may
> want some help.
> > <debro> yup
> > <debro> what do you think about the restiling of
> the cdt website?
> > <debro> androo, you wont escape
> > <debro> :P
> > <Androo> I haven't seen it, actually. URL?
> > <debro> http://openbeos.laevolucion.com
> > <Androo> first off, none of the graphics show in
> Net+
> > <debro> yeah i know
> > <debro> :P
> > <debro> it doesn't support table bg
> > <debro> color
> > <debro> i mean... not color, img
> > <debro> i have to work that out
> > <debro> does it looks good on beZilla?
> > <debro> it's pretty hard to work without table bg
> images... i would have
> to make separate buttons... wich will get the page
> heavier...
> > <Androo> looks fine, but I haven't seen it through
> IE
> > <debro> now i've made a stretching version... wich
> auto adjusts to the
> size of the window... but it can't be done without
> table bg images...
> > <Androo> hmm ... would have expected a few people
> by now
> > <debro> yeah me too
> > <Androo> going to bring back ChanServ
> > -ChanServ- Toggled ChanGuard for channel #obos-cdt
> [ON]
> > *** ChanServ (ChanServ@services.) has joined the
> channel.
> > *** carter.openprojects.net set mode +o ChanServ
> > *** ChanServ set mode -o debro
> > *** Androo set mode +o debro
> > <debro> lol
> > <Androo> ChanServ is in guard mode, it'll deop
> anyone who isn't on the op
> list. I'll have to add you.
> > -ChanServ- ChanServ allows you to register and
> control various
> > -ChanServ- aspects of channels. ChanServ can
> often prevent
> > -ChanServ- malicious users from "taking over"
> channels by limiting
> > -ChanServ- who is allowed channel operator
> priviliges. Any channel
> > -ChanServ- which is not used for two weeks, will
> automatically be
> > -ChanServ- cancelled. ChanServ's commands are
> listed below.
> > -ChanServ- For more information on a specific
> command, type
> > -ChanServ- /msg ChanServ help <command>.
> > -ChanServ-
> > -ChanServ- REGISTER Register a channel
> > -ChanServ- DROP Cancel the registration
> of a channel
> > -ChanServ- IDENTIFY Identify yourself with
> your password
> > -ChanServ- SET Set various channel
> options
> > -ChanServ- ACCESS Modify the list of
> privileged users
> > -ChanServ- AKICK Maintain the AutoKick
> list
> > -ChanServ- LEVEL Change the level
> required for functions
> > -ChanServ- LIST Display list of channels
> matching a pattern
> > -ChanServ- INFO Display information for
> a channel
> > -ChanServ- INVITE Invite yourself to a
> channel
> > -ChanServ- OP Op yourself on a channel
> > -ChanServ- VOICE Voice yourself on a
> channel
> > -ChanServ- UNBAN Unban yourself on a
> channel
> > -ChanServ- CLEAR Clear various channel
> modes
> > -ChanServ- Syntax: ACCESS <channel> {ADD|DEL|LIST}
> [mask [level]]
> > -ChanServ- Type: /msg ChanServ HELP ACCESS for
> more information
> > -ChanServ- Syntax: ACCESS <channel> ADD <mask>
> <level>
> > -ChanServ- ACCESS <channel> DEL <mask |
> index>
> > -ChanServ- ACCESS <channel> LIST [mask]
> > -ChanServ-
> > -ChanServ- Maintains the channel access list for
> <channel>.
> > -ChanServ- Users matching a hostmask on the access
> list will
> > -ChanServ- have access to various ChanServ
> commands depending on
> > -ChanServ- what level they have (/msg ChanServ
> HELP LEVEL for
> > -ChanServ- a list of default user levels). Anyone
> not on
> > -ChanServ- the channel's access list, has a
> default access
> > -ChanServ- level of 0. You may type:
> > -ChanServ- /msg ChanServ HELP ACCESS
> {ADD|DEL|LIST} for more
> > -ChanServ- specific information on each command.
> > -ChanServ- Syntax: ACCESS <channel> ADD <hostmask>
> <level>
> > -ChanServ- Type: /msg ChanServ HELP ACCESS ADD for
> more information
> > -ChanServ- [debro] has been added to the access
> list for #obos-cdt with
> level [20]
> > -ChanServ- Syntax: LIST <pattern>
> > -ChanServ- Type: /msg ChanServ HELP LIST for more
> information
> > -ChanServ- ChanServ allows you to register and
> control various
> > -ChanServ- aspects of channels. ChanServ can
> often prevent
> > -ChanServ- malicious users from "taking over"
> channels by limiting
> > -ChanServ- who is allowed channel operator
> priviliges. Any channel
> > -ChanServ- which is not used for two weeks, will
> automatically be
> > -ChanServ- cancelled. ChanServ's commands are
> listed below.
> > -ChanServ- For more information on a specific
> command, type
> > -ChanServ- /msg ChanServ help <command>.
> > -ChanServ-
> > -ChanServ- REGISTER Register a channel
> > -ChanServ- DROP Cancel the registration
> of a channel
> > -ChanServ- IDENTIFY Identify yourself with
> your password
> > -ChanServ- SET Set various channel
> options
> > -ChanServ- ACCESS Modify the list of
> privileged users
> > -ChanServ- AKICK Maintain the AutoKick
> list
> > -ChanServ- LEVEL Change the level
> required for functions
> > -ChanServ- LIST Display list of channels
> matching a pattern
> > -ChanServ- INFO Display information for
> a channel
> > -ChanServ- INVITE Invite yourself to a
> channel
> > -ChanServ- OP Op yourself on a channel
> > -ChanServ- VOICE Voice yourself on a
> channel
> > -ChanServ- UNBAN Unban yourself on a
> channel
> > -ChanServ- CLEAR Clear various channel
> modes
> > -ChanServ- -- Access Levels for [#obos-cdt] --
> > -ChanServ- Index Level Type Description
> > -ChanServ- ----- ----- ---- -----------
> > -ChanServ- 1 0 AUTODEOP Automatic
> deop/devoice
> > -ChanServ- 2 20 AUTOVOICE Automatic voice
> > -ChanServ- 3 20 CMDVOICE Use of command
> VOICE
> > -ChanServ- 4 35 ACCESS Allow ACCESS
> modification
> > -ChanServ- 5 20 CMDINVITE Use of command
> INVITE
> > -ChanServ- 6 30 AUTOOP Automatic op
> > -ChanServ- 7 35 CMDOP Use of command OP
> > -ChanServ- 8 35 CMDUNBAN Use of command
> UNBAN
> > -ChanServ- 9 35 AUTOKICK Allow AKICK
> modification
> > -ChanServ- 10 35 CMDCLEAR Use of command
> CLEAR
> > -ChanServ- 11 35 SET Modify channel
> SETs
> > -ChanServ- 12 40 SUPEROP All of the above
> > -ChanServ- -- End of list --
> > -ChanServ- Syntax: ACCESS <channel> {ADD|DEL|LIST}
> [mask [level]]
> > -ChanServ- Type: /msg ChanServ HELP ACCESS for
> more information
> > -ChanServ- Unknown switch [rem]
> > -ChanServ- Type: /msg ChanServ HELP ACCESS for
> more information
> > -ChanServ- [debro] has been removed from the
> access list for #obos-cdt
> > -ChanServ- [debro] has been added to the access
> list for #obos-cdt with
> level [30]
> > [x] debro
> (lotr@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx)
> > [x] Legolas from the distant Mirkwood
> > [x] Channels: #openbeos @#obos-cdt
> > [x] Server: irc.openprojects.net
> (http://www.openprojects.net/)
> > [x] Idle: 45secs
> > [x] Signon: Tuesday Apr 16 2002 10:16 PM GMT
> > <Androo> debro, have you registered your nick with
> NickServ?
> > <debro> yep
> > <Androo> ok, try leaving the room and entering
> again ... ChanServ should
> op you automatically
> > *** debro has left the channel.
> > *** debro
> (lotr@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx) has
> joined the
> channel.
> > *** ChanServ set mode +o debro
> > *** debro set mode +nt
> > <Androo> :)
> > <debro> where is everyone?
> > <Androo> dunno
> > <Androo> this is the problem with this group, no
> participation
> > <Androo> not sure why stuart isn't here
> > <debro> yeah
> > <debro> maybe connection problems again
> > *** stubear
> (~stubear@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx) has
> joined the
> channel.
> > -ChanServ- [stubear!*@*] has been added to the
> access list for #obos-cdt
> with level [30]
> > *** GuyHaviv_ (obos_@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx)
> has joined the channel.
> > <GuyHaviv_> howdy.
> > <stubear> sorry...I just got back froma walk and
> got hooked on the game
> when I got back :)
> > <debro> hello
> > -ChanServ- [stubear] was not found on the access
> list for #obos-cdt
> > *** debro set mode +oo GuyHaviv_ stubear
> > *** ChanServ set mode -o GuyHaviv_
> > *** ChanServ set mode -o stubear
> > <debro> ewww
> > <GuyHaviv_> lol,
> > <debro> lol
> > -ChanServ- [stubear!*@*] has been removed from the
> access list for
> #obos-cdt
> > <GuyHaviv_> evil chanserv.
> > <debro> yeah
> > <debro> mean
> > <Androo> register for your nicks and I'll add you
> to the op list
> > [x] GuyHaviv_ (obos_@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx)
> > [x] iiiii
> > [x] Channels: #obos-cdt #openbeos
> > [x] Server: irc.openprojects.net
> (http://www.openprojects.net/)
> > [x] Idle: 32secs
> > [x] Signon: Wednesday Apr 17 2002 12:07 AM GMT
> > <stubear> how do you do that?
> > <Androo> do a /msg nickserv register password
> > <stubear> ok, done
> > <debro> ohh i love to see the 40+ of us here :D
> > <debro> ...
> > <debro> ...
> > -ChanServ- Syntax: ACCESS <channel> ADD <hostmask>
> <level>
> > -ChanServ- Type: /msg ChanServ HELP ACCESS ADD for
> more information
> > -ChanServ- [stubear] has been added to the access
> list for #obos-cdt with
> level [30]
> > *** Androo set mode +o stubear
> > -ChanServ- [GuyHaviv_] has been added to the
> access list for #obos-cdt
> with level [30]
> > <GuyHaviv_> also done.
> > *** Androo set mode +o GuyHaviv_
> > <stubear> I guess this is it for tonight...five
> people
> > <debro> 4 actually :P
> > <Androo> seems like it .. how was the turnout last
> time?
> > <GuyHaviv_> chanserv is op? im too used to dalnet.
> > <stubear> oops, you're right
> > <debro> bah... chanserv is more active than a lot
> of the members...
> > -ChanServ- Toggled ChanGuard for channel #obos-cdt
> [OFF]
> > *** ChanServ has left the channel.
> > <Androo> there, happy? :)
> > <GuyHaviv_> lol
> > <stubear> Androo, the turnouts have been rather
> small.
> > <GuyHaviv_> does beos work with vmWare?
> > <debro> we are 40+ and only 10-15 participate
> > <debro> i should be on class right now
> > <debro> lol
> > <Androo> Stuart, I think it's about time to start
> sending out pings to the
> members who aren't participating and removing anyone
> who doesn't respond.
> > <stubear> Guy, I don't think so. I've never been
> able to get it to run in
> any emulation software
> > <GuyHaviv_> Stuart - didnt you get my /msgs?
> > <debro> i agree with you androo
> > <stubear> Androo, the group could use a little
> trimming
> > <stubear> Guy, yes
> > <GuyHaviv_> i also agree, but it has to be done
> carefully.. the messages
> should be polite etc.
> > <GuyHaviv_> yes you got them or you didnt get them
> > <Androo> of course
> > <stubear> yes I got them
> > <stubear> ok, to the task at hand...
> > <GuyHaviv_> then why is it difficult to answer
> > <stubear> the messages on IRC just now or e-mail
> earlier?
> > <GuyHaviv_> both
> > <stubear> I never got any e-mail from you
> directly, just a couple messages
> on IRC just now
> > <GuyHaviv_> well i sent about 3.
> > <GuyHaviv_> perhaps to an outdated email box.
> > <stubear> the last e-mail I got from you was the
> one I requested from
> everyone in the group
> > <GuyHaviv_> i sent a memberlist with emails, the
> webspace password on
> BGA's server, some other stuff
> > <stubear> It could be. My e-mail did change to
> stubear@xxxxxxxxx a month
> or so ago
> > <GuyHaviv_> ok..
> > <stubear> I thought I had told everyone
> > <stubear> sorry
> > <stubear> ok, NOW to the task at hand
> > <debro> yeah
> > <stubear> As everyone knows OBOS needs a name.
> This task falls on our
> group to compile a list for those higher up to
> choose from in the best way
> they deem fit; flip a coin, play darts with the
> list, whatever
> > <debro> hehe
> > <stubear> Unfortunately, to date people have been
> just throwing out names
> without really considering what OBOS is and the
> message the group (OBOS)
> needs to send to the computer community at large
> > <stubear> I've been just as guilty, I'm not
> pointing fingers here
> > <stubear> so, that being said, I thought IRC would
> be a good way to spark
> some ideas and discussion without the lag of the
> mailing list and the forum
> > <debro> i still support the people concept
> > <debro> but is pretty hard to find out names
> > <debro> i've worked on some latin and spanish
> words, wich are pretty cool
> > <stubear> Debro, true, naming products is not an
> easy task
> > * Androo grabs a dictonary
> > <debro> we spent MONTHS thinking about names to my
> website
> > <debro> and finally "La Evolucion" came out
> > <debro> wich means Evolution
> > <stubear> Some ideas and concepts to date have
> been:
> > <stubear> concepts - starfish or octopus,
> astronomy sources (galaxies,
> etc.), community or people oriented, and mythical
> > <debro> yep
> > <debro> do we really want to express what obos is
> with the name?
> > <stubear> names - terra or magma (something
> elemental), jaffa (a nice jab
> at Apple, Inc.), and one I thought up the other day
> based on mythology,
> Pandora
> > <debro> that's the way i'm going
> > <debro> elemental
> > <debro> but in latin... wich sounds neat
> > <stubear> elemental - earth, fire, wind, air or
> combinations thereof
> > <debro> should i start showing you what i got?
> > <Androo> I was thinking perhaps we could throw out
> a few words starting
> with "Be" ... there's plenty to chose from.
> > <debro> uhm...
> > <stubear> well, I'd like to hear from everyone
> present what they think
> BeOS is and the message they would like to send to
> the community
> > <debro> isn't Be registered
> > <debro> ?
> > <Androo> debro, yes
> > <stubear> That's where Jaffa came from, sort of
> > <debro> that might bring some legal issues
> > <debro> jaffa is like an orange?
> > <stubear> yes
> > <Androo> debro, no ... not if we use a word like
> "Beatle"
> > <Androo> just an example, of course
> > <stubear> Debro, I meant yes, Jaffa is a variety
> of orange which grows in
> Guy's neck of the woods
> > <debro> uh?
> > <debro> well we can use "Naranja" :P
> > <debro> wich means orange in spanish
> > <debro> hehe
> > -lilo- [Global Notice] Hi all. Please
> congratulate Bdale Garbee, the
> newly-elected Debian Project Leader. OPN extends
> its best wishes! :)
> > <Androo> seems a bit long
> > <debro> yeah, and ugly too :P
> > <stubear> brb
> > <debro> are we gonna explain this further or
> should i start suggesting
> some words?
> > <Androo> shoot, I'm scanning the dictionary at the
> moment, hoping for a
> little inspiration
> > <GuyHaviv_> jaffa is an israely orange brand...
> > <Androo> I like "Jaffa", but it doesn't say much
> about the OS.
> > <debro> well in spanish it doesn't sound good
> > <Androo> explain?
> > <debro> sound like "chafa" wich is a mexican
> expresion for "bad" "poor"
> > <GuyHaviv_> well im sorry, but i really sure head
> to sleep.
> > <debro> what's the time there?
> > <GuyHaviv_> 3:39 at night (or should i say
> morning)
> > <GuyHaviv_> wow that was a horrible sentence.
> > <stubear> yeah, go to bed. Thanks for showing up
> though.
> > <debro> nice :D again you are on tomorrow! in the
> future!
> > <debro> lol
> > <GuyHaviv_> well, see you. im just very tired.. im
> awake for like 22
> hours.
> > <debro> ok
> > <debro> see ya Guy
> > *** saffertan (~openbeos@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx)
> has joined the channel.
> > <debro> hey nate
> > <GuyHaviv_> hi nate. bye nate.
> > <GuyHaviv_> :)
> > *** GuyHaviv_ (obos_@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx)
> has quit IRC ("Leaving")
> > <saffertan> hey ya'll
> > <stubear> hi Nate, bye Guy
> > <saffertan> I got a few minutes between meetings
> so I decided to join the
> discussion for a while
> > <debro> hey, am i the youngest on the list?
> > <saffertan> what's been happening?
> > <debro> nothing productive yet :P
> > <debro> list=team ;)
> > <saffertan> great !
> > <debro> so.. i'll start to shoot some words, and
> you judge them
> > <stubear> everyone was about to tell the group
> what they think the message
> the name should say about OBOS
> > <debro> uhmm ok, i'll go there first
> > <stubear> Sionce you were late Natem you can start
> ;)
> > <saffertan> okay ... this is what I think the name
> should symbolize
> > <saffertan> stability, speed, power,
> > <saffertan> but more so ....
> > <saffertan> modern, unrestricted, maybe even a new
> life
> > <saffertan> or a new beginning ... the dawn of a
> new computer era in which
> open source dominates :-)
> > <stubear> You had me until the OSS reference :)
> > <saffertan> sorry .. it was an inside joke ... I'm
> known as the open
> source fanatic around my friends and classmates ...
> > <stubear> ah
> > <saffertan> it should also suggest a warm and
> pleasing (not hostile)
> environment for work and/or play
> > <debro> i'm not an open source fan, actually i
> almost don't like anything
> open source
> > <debro> but beos didn't felt open source
> > <debro> and i hope obos doesnt
> > <stubear> Androo, you want to enlighten us with
> your thoughts about the
> message this project should send to the community?
> > <saffertan> debro ... open source does not have to
> feel like what it feels
> like today ... but that's another topic we can talk
> about later...
> > <debro> yep
> > <debro> Androo?
> > <debro> Andrés? :P
> > <stubear> I think Androo is lost in the dictionary
> :)
> > <debro> yeah
> > <debro> hehehe
> > <stubear> well, I like the concept of new and
> community (warm/pleasing)
> but I woule liken this idea more towards the core of
> everything the
> community does..
> > <saffertan> can you explain?
> > <stubear> OBOS is sort of the heart of the entire
> system...the mass of
> stars at the center of a galaxy...the core of the
> earth
> > <debro> magma ? ;)
> > <stubear> It is what gives the community life to
> work and play
> > <saffertan> we could name it BeLife :-)
> > <saffertan> hehe
> > <debro> Believe
> > <debro> should i speak my mind?
> > <saffertan> how about something along the lines of
> water ....
> > <stubear> I was thinking more along the lines of
> Oxygen
> > <debro> [Androo] seems to be sleeping over the
> dic... :P
> > <saffertan> we all need water to live on and stuff
> like that ... yeah,
> speak you mind
> > <debro> oxygen, that's nice
> > <debro> is something you need to live
> > <debro> nice
> > <saffertan> yeah ... i like that better
> > <stubear> Aqua's been done by the way ;)
> > <debro> yeah
> > <saffertan> ....yeah, I know
> > <debro> here's what i think about obos
> > <debro> OBOS: stable, fast, powerful, friendly,
> feels like home, human,
> comfortable, open, cute, functional,
> notwindowsatall, alsonotlinux,
> notevenmac, etc.
> > <saffertan> so how about O2, 03 ... h20
> > <stubear> wow, the Sox are routing the Blue Jays
> :)
> > <saffertan> so it is like a breath of fresh air
> ....
> > <Androo> back, sorry
> > <saffertan> (I wasn't referring to the Sox)...
> > <stubear> I know...I got the game on in the
> background...Nomar came within
> inches of hitting a homerun but the score quickly
> went from 6-1 to 9-1 :)
> > <debro> baseball? ugh
> > <saffertan> along with what debro said ... and
> stuart's oxygen ... what
> about ....
> > <debro> soccer is quite better :D
> > <stubear> don't get me started Debro *smack*
> > <saffertan> breathe ... breath ... air ... aire...
> > <stubear> Anyway, back to the task at hand
> > <debro> hehehehe
> > * Androo will join Stuart in the smacking
> > <debro> i got that on my list
> > <saffertan> (i'll ahve to go with debro on soccer
> ... i grew up in
> Ecuador)
> > [x] saffertan (~openbeos@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx)
> > [x] OpenBeOS CDT member
> > [x] Channels: #obos-cdt
> > [x] Server: irc.openprojects.net
> (http://www.openprojects.net/)
> > [x] Idle: 4secs
> > [x] Signon: Wednesday Apr 17 2002 12:40 AM GMT
> > <debro> - aeris: air in latin (ffvii anyone?)
> > <stubear> foreigners, huh Androo? Baseball is FAR
> too sophisticated a
> sport for them ;)
> > <Androo> I think one thing that made "Be" so
> wonderful for the name of the
> OS was that many developers used it in the name of
> their apps.
> > <debro> nah i like baseball, but i think soccer is
> more exciting
> > <debro> yeah
> > -ChanServ- [saffertan!*@*] has been added to the
> access list for #obos-cdt
> with level [30]
> > -ChanServ- [saffertan!*@*] has been removed from
> the access list for
> #obos-cdt
> > <stubear> You know what? I never cared for that
> all that much
> > <debro> Aeris? don't you like it ? :B
> > <saffertan> I agree with Androo ... we should pick
> something short or
> abreviatable (is that a word?)
> > <debro> i think it was a bit confusing, that be*
> software
> > <Androo> stubear, I agree that there are too many
> "BeSomething" apps, but
> it works to a degree.
> > <saffertan> ... it at least spread community ...
> and that's really
> important
> > <debro> can i start showing off my latin words
> list?
> > <Androo> sure
> > <debro> - lumen: means "light" in latin
> > <debro> - lux: again "Light" in latin (too much
> like tux?)
> > <stubear> actually the first thing I thought of
> was Luxo Jr. :)
> > <debro> pfft
> > <debro> - lucis: yet again light <-- this one is
> nice
> > <debro> we can make a girl mascott named lucy!
> (just kidding)
> > <saffertan> I like the sound of lucis ...
> > <Androo> "Masa" in Filipino means "for the masses"
> > <saffertan> ...but unfortunately, I have another
> meeting now ...
> > <debro> Masa in spanish means... uhmmm.... like
> the bread before cooking,
> i don't know the word
> > <saffertan> ....I've enjoyed and would love to
> chat again with everyone
> ... maybe we can set up another time before stuart
> turns in the list on the
> 21st
> > <debro> we need to...
> > <stubear> I'll try to set something up fopr
> Thursday
> > <debro> friday? not good?
> > <debro> hehe
> > <stubear> I think these IRC chats have been
> helpful...agree/disagree?
> > <saffertan> ...well, thursday doesn't work so well
> (same schedule ...)
> > <debro> agree
> > <saffertan> .... I think IRC has been really
> hepful ... we should do a LOT
> more and with more people
> > <debro> it's almost like a real meeting
> > <saffertan> Friday afternoon works ... anyway ...
> give up an e-mail about
> the time ... I have to run.
> > <Androo> I'm not sure when I can meet this week.
> The testing team is
> receiving a drop of code for a release on Thursday.
> > <debro> see ya nate
> > <saffertan> see you ...
> > <Androo> night nate
> > <debro> take care
> > *** saffertan (~openbeos@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx)
> has quit IRC ("Leaving")
> > <stubear> bye nate
> > <debro> should i go on?
> > <Androo> sure
> > <debro> - ignis: fire in latin <-- i like this one
> A LOT
> > <debro> - fuego: fire in spanish <-- pretty nice
> too
> > <debro> - caelum: sky, heaven in latin <-- maybe
> too hard to pronounce for
> an english speaker...
> > <debro> to anyone actually
> > <debro> - cielo: sky, heaven in spanish
> > <debro> stop me if there's any word you like, ok?
> > <debro> - comis: friendly in latin
> > <debro> - domus: home in latin
> > <debro> - miles: warrior in latin (not really
> comis :P)
> > <debro> - optimus: one of the best, aristocrat,
> noble. latin
> > <debro> - magis: more, to a greater extent,
> rather, for preference latin
> > <debro> - hogar: home in spanish
> > <debro> - mane: morning, early in the morning,
> early.latin
> > <debro> - oriens: rising, the rising sun; east;
> morning latin <- nice
> > <debro> - nox: night. latin
> > <debro> - noctis: night. latin
> > <debro> - cras: (adv.) tomorrow, on the morrow.
> > <debro> - sum: to be, exist (just like Be, but in
> latin :P)
> > <debro> - ser: to be, exist. now in spanish
> > <debro> - fenestra: window. latin (LOL :D)
> > <debro> - gens: clan, race, nation, people, tribe.
> latin
> > <debro> and that's it
> > <debro> any nice word?
> > <Androo> to be honest, none of them jump out at me
> > <stubear> nothing smacked me across the head
> either
> > <debro> yeah, if you read them on an english
> fashion, maybe they don't
> sound that cool
> > <debro> well... that was an idea, just a shot
> > <debro> i have plenty of bullets to go on
> > <debro> :D
> > <stubear> I'm not sure using latin is such a great
> idea either. It seems
> to have an air of pretentiosness to it
> > <Androo> well, I think most latin words sound
> fantastic ... just none of
> those seem to be right for an OS
> > <debro> yup
> > <debro> i tried to find words that meant something
> to the OS
> > <debro> and some elemental
> > <debro> and actually aqua and terra are latin
> words
> > <debro> aeris, ignis, aqua and terra, the four
> elements
> > <stubear> Hey, here's one for you...Betelgeuse :)
> > <Androo> heh
> > <debro> hehe
> > <Androo> that's slightly copyrighted :P
> > <stubear> It's the name of a star. who has the
> copyright?
> > <debro> i actually don't know if i pronounce well
> "BeOS"
> > <debro> we say like the same that "Bios"
> > <debro> "Beatlejuice"?
> > <Androo> Betelgeuse? I suppose you've never seen
> a Tim Burton movie.
> > <stubear> That's Beetlejuice, not Betelgeuse
> > <Androo> ah
> > <debro> it sounds the same...
> > [debro #obos-cdt:PING]
> > <stubear> Besides, you can't copyright a movie
> title, youcan only
> trademark it
> > <debro> what's the difference?
> > <stubear> however, betelgeuse.com is already taken
> by some design
> development company
> > <stubear> oops...design company
> > <debro> stars... galaxies... the space...
> > <debro> orion
> > <debro> io
> > <debro> europa
> > <debro> phobos
> > <debro> PhobOS :P
> > <Androo> Ion
> > <debro> UHM!!
> > <debro> IDEA!
> > <Androo> yes?
> > <stubear> I think IDEA was his idea
> > <debro> what about Phoenix? i know it's used and
> reused, but it reflects
> what we are doing...
> > <debro> we are coming back from our ashes
> > <debro> Fenix
> > <debro> wich is the spanish word for phoenix
> > <stubear> I don't like the negative connotations
> that has...I think a new
> beginnign is almost better than reminding people
> that BeOS was once a dead
> idea
> > <Androo> I'd like to stay away from the *nix sord
> > <Androo> sord = word
> > <debro> uhm good point
> > <Androo> BeOS is NOT a *nix
> > <stubear> it's POSIX though, right?
> > <debro> Fenics? :P
> > <Androo> It has a POSIX layer, an incomplete one
> at that
> > <debro> what about greek alphabet?
> > <debro> too much like a fraternity, isn't it?
> > <Androo> definately
> > <debro> elvish words?
> > <stubear> well, I think we're beginning to run in
> circles again...There
> are some great ideas in here. Can someone save the
> session (Besirc
> apparently can't or the feature doesn't work) then
> e-mail it to me?
> > <Androo> session saved
> > <stubear> I'll draw up another list and post it to
> the mailing list to see
> what kind of a response it generates
> > <debro> this script i'm using logs everything
> automatically
> > [x] stubear
> (~stubear@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx)
> > [x] stubear
> > [x] Channels: @#obos-cdt
> > [x] Server: irc.openprojects.net
> (http://www.openprojects.net/)
> > [x] Idle: 46secs
> > [x] Signon: Wednesday Apr 17 2002 12:07 AM GMT
> > <Androo> stubear@xxxxxxxxx?
> > <stubear> yep
> > <Androo> done
> > <debro> you should try this script stuart
> > <stubear> thanks
> > <debro> it solves a lot of irc issues
> > [CTCP->debro] VERSION
> > -debro- ···· I R c a p ·· v 7.1 ·
> http://www.ircap.com
> > <stubear> send it to me and I'll give it a shot
> > <debro> what about Pegasus?
> > <debro> :P
> > <debro> i'm going random again
> > <debro> http://www.ircap.com/en/index.html
> > <Androo> I think out of all the ideas we've come
> up with, Jaffa is my
> personal favorite.
> > <stubear> Mine too. It has a nice ring to it,
> rolls off the tongue rather
> nicely, is a nice jab at Apple AND it connects with
> its roots as an
> alternative to MacOS
> > <debro> well as i said, it has a negative impact
> when reading it in
> spanish
> > <stubear> and that would be?
> > <debro> it sounds like "chafa"
> > <stubear> ???
> > <debro> wich is a mexican expresion for "bad"
> "poor"
> > <Androo> Wouldn't "java" sound like "chafa" in
> Spanish?
> > <stubear> by the way, who asked me what the
> problem with the starfsh
> metaphor and the japanese was?
> > <debro> noup
> > <debro> not me
> > <Androo> I think we discussed it a while back,
> Stuart.
> > <stubear> Apparently japanses children are taught
> at an early age to think
> of starfish much like we think of slugs; slimy and
> gross
> > <Androo> ah
> > <stubear> I'm not convinced that it's such a bad
> metaphor after hearing
> that
> > <stubear> I doubt the japanese would consider OBOS
> slimy and gross were it
> named starfish
> > <debro> besides the nice sound of the word, what's
> the point of Jaffa, and
> it's connection with an OS?
> > <stubear> Jaffa is an Orange. It is similar to
> Apple and MacOS. Mcintosh
> (macintosh) is a variety of apple
> > <debro> then we name it GrandSmith! :P
> > <stubear> BeOS was intended to be the base of what
> would later become
> MacOS X but Steve Jobs killed that prospect when he
> brought NeXT OS withhim
> on his return to the CEO hot seat
> > <stubear> That would be granny smith
> > <debro> i'm out of ideas...
> > <debro> i like Evolved
> > <debro> Evolved Operating System
> > <debro> :P
> > <stubear> Ok, androo, could you save the session
> after we all sign off
> then send it to me?
> > <Androo> sure
> > <stubear> I suggest we close this session for
> tonight. There really have
> been some good ideas here but we need to distance
> ourselves from them for a
> while
> > <stubear> I'll see if I can't setup at least one
> more IRC session before I
> pass a list along to Michael
> > <stubear> With that I'm going to sign off.
> > <debro> yeah me too
> > <debro> hey answer this
> > <debro> am i the youngest one on the team?
> > <stubear> I got a new toy today to play
> with....Photoshop 7 :)
> > <stubear> I haven't had a chance to tinker with
> the new features yet
> > <debro> oh cool
> > <Androo> stuart, my copy's on its way
> > <debro> i'm 19... am i or not?
> > <debro> :P
> > <Androo> going to save this chat, I think we're
> through ... night folks
> > <debro> s
> >
> >
>
>
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