I hate you Ed. I played around with a lot of calculation tools and it's hard to get a loop that is good on 40-30 it seems. I wonder what just taking it outside would do. On Dec 11, 2010 1:11 PM, "Ed Paradis" <legomaniac@xxxxxxxxx> wrote: Friday night after the presentation, Tim and I built a wire loop antenna with some parts I brought up. The antenna was a square, 7 feet on each side. We used a coupling loop instead of a gamma match and only used it for receiving. We could tune the capacitor to peak the noise on 40 meters, 30 meters, and 20 meters. We didn't try any other bands, but I didn't tune around some of the short wave stations between 40 and 30 meters. Notes: - a 7 foot square is a huge freaking antenna. It fit inside, though. - reception was very spotty and we heard no amateur activity at all on any band - we did receive some shortwave pretty well - there was far less interference than the random wire and in general it was a pretty 'quiet' antenna. - we could show the expected directivity of the antenna on some French-language station, moving it from S8 to S0 with a 90 degree turn - some way to tune the capacitor remotely and very slowly is critical if you don't want to go nuts, though we did come up with a clever way of doing so with a big stick and a piece of thick copper wire Conclusions: - because we could show the directivity, I think we can legitmately say it was a loop antenna and not just a big random chunk of metal - a 7 foot square is really large compared to the designs I saw online but I thought bigger would be better. This might not be true - the general "deafness" of the antenna leads me to believe that we won't get anywhere until we get our antenna "out of the basement" Future plans: - Modifying this antenna to be a multiturn loop would be simple because we used wire. I'd like to try that - we need a long piece of coax on the antenna so we don't have to sit right next to it (though we didn't seem to be picking up any birdies from our radio) - I'd like to come up with a clean remote controlled variable capacitor. I've seen some gear motors that would be perfect online for $7. - I'd still like to go through with the copper pipe antenna, even if it ends up being fixed on 20 meters Make thanks goes out to Tim for his help putting the antenna together and everyone else in the shop with putting up with another night filled with radio static. I'll get some headphones up there soon, I promise. Ed