[guispeak] Re: Microsoft ebook reader and the *.lit format.
- From: "Will Pearson" <will-pearson@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: <guispeak@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Sun, 14 Nov 2004 12:36:20 -0000
Hi Laura;
DRM stands for digital rights management.
Will
----- Original Message -----
From: "Laura Eaves" <leaves1@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <guispeak@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Saturday, November 13, 2004 10:23 PM
Subject: [guispeak] Re: Microsoft ebook reader and the *.lit format.
> Ok, sorry, I know a lot of acronyms, but what is DRM?
> Thanks.
> --le
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Will Pearson" <will-pearson@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> To: <guispeak@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Saturday, November 13, 2004 5:06 PM
> Subject: [guispeak] Re: Microsoft ebook reader and the *.lit format.
>
>
> >I think that converting between formats may also be in breech of DRM if
the
> > original format was accessible.
> >
> > Will
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "david poehlman" <david.poehlman@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > To: <guispeak@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > Sent: Saturday, November 13, 2004 9:49 PM
> > Subject: [guispeak] Re: Microsoft ebook reader and the *.lit format.
> >
> >
> >> .lit and daisy are like apples and oranges. That's like converting an
> >> untagged pdf file into accessible html.
> >>
> >> Johnnie Apple Seed
> >>
> >> ----- Original Message -----
> >> From: "Darrell Shandrow" <nu7i@xxxxxxxxxx>
> >> To: <guispeak@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> >> Sent: Saturday, November 13, 2004 4:30 PM
> >> Subject: [guispeak] Re: Microsoft ebook reader and the *.lit format.
> >>
> >>
> >> Hi David,
> >>
> >> Yes. DAISY also provides DRM functionality. Perhaps, one solution for
> >> Microsoft would be a utility to convert from .lit to DAISY?
> >>
> >> Darrell Shandrow - Shandrow Communications!
> >> Technology consultant/instructor, network/systems administrator!
> >> A+, CCNA, Network+!
> >> Check out high quality telecommunications services at
http://ld.net/?nu7i
> >> All the best to coalition forces carrying out Operation Iraqi Freedom!
> >> ----- Original Message -----
> >> From: "david poehlman" <david.poehlman@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> >> To: <guispeak@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> >> Sent: Saturday, November 13, 2004 2:25 PM
> >> Subject: [guispeak] Re: Microsoft ebook reader and the *.lit format.
> >>
> >>
> >> > ms could go to daisy and ditch .lit.
> >> >
> >> > Johnnie Apple Seed
> >> >
> >> > ----- Original Message -----
> >> > From: "Darrell Shandrow" <nu7i@xxxxxxxxxx>
> >> > To: <guispeak@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> >> > Sent: Saturday, November 13, 2004 4:01 PM
> >> > Subject: [guispeak] Re: Microsoft ebook reader and the *.lit format.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > Hi Laura, David, Will and all,
> >> >
> >> > One Microsoft solution I would find acceptable at this point would be
> > for
> >> > Microsoft to securely provide a platform on which the .lit format
could
> > be
> >> > incorporated in to assistive technology products. For instance, FS
> >> > Reader,
> >> > Victor Reader, and other software could then support the .lit format
in
> > a
> >> > way that limits copying.
> >> >
> >> > Some secured PDF files can now be loaded in to Adobe Reader in a way
> > that
> >> > is
> >> > accessible. It is not possible to save these files in alternate
> > formats,
> >> > and it is impossible to cut/copy and paste their contents. Though I
> > don't
> >> > like these restrictions, accessibility is now provided, so I support
> > their
> >> > implementation. Accessibility is provided while the content is still
> >> > protected. The mainstream and assistive tech industries should be
> > working
> >> > together to insure accessibility. If legislation like Section 508
has
> > to
> >> > be
> >> > used as the stick, then so be it.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > Darrell Shandrow - Shandrow Communications!
> >> > Technology consultant/instructor, network/systems administrator!
> >> > A+, CCNA, Network+!
> >> > Check out high quality telecommunications services at
> > http://ld.net/?nu7i
> >> > All the best to coalition forces carrying out Operation Iraqi
Freedom!
> >> > ----- Original Message -----
> >> > From: "Laura Eaves" <leaves1@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> >> > To: <guispeak@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> >> > Sent: Saturday, November 13, 2004 1:35 PM
> >> > Subject: [guispeak] Re: Microsoft ebook reader and the *.lit format.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >> Can you set bookmarks?
> >> >> Can you get a global navigation view of the book, as is possible
with
> >> >> VictorReader software?
> >> >> Just curious.
> >> >> Take care.
> >> >> --le
> >> >>
> >> >> ----- Original Message -----
> >> >> From: "david poehlman" <david.poehlman@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> >> >> To: <guispeak@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> >> >> Sent: Saturday, November 13, 2004 3:16 PM
> >> >> Subject: [guispeak] Re: Microsoft ebook reader and the *.lit format.
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>> on the third point, you are not correct. You can move through the
> > book
> >> >>> by
> >> >>> chapter, page and some other nav chunks.
> >> >>>
> >> >>> Johnnie Apple Seed
> >> >>>
> >> >>> ----- Original Message -----
> >> >>> From: "Darrell Shandrow" <nu7i@xxxxxxxxxx>
> >> >>> To: <guispeak@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> >> >>> Sent: Saturday, November 13, 2004 3:13 PM
> >> >>> Subject: [guispeak] Re: Microsoft ebook reader and the *.lit
format.
> >> >>>
> >> >>>
> >> >>> Hi Will,
> >> >>>
> >> >>> As I understand it, TTS is extremely limited in at least the
> >> >>> following
> >> >>> ways:
> >> >>> 1.
> >> >>> Some books don't work with it.
> >> >>> 2.
> >> >>> Speech quality is sufficiently poor as to bring its practicality in
> >> >>> to
> >> >>> question.
> >> >>> 3.
> >> >>> It is just a straight read, with no capability to navigate through
a
> >> >>> book.
> >> >>>
> >> >>> Am I correct on these three points?
> >> >>>
> >> >>> Darrell Shandrow - Shandrow Communications!
> >> >>> Technology consultant/instructor, network/systems administrator!
> >> >>> A+, CCNA, Network+!
> >> >>> Check out high quality telecommunications services at
> >> >>> http://ld.net/?nu7i
> >> >>> All the best to coalition forces carrying out Operation Iraqi
> >> >>> Freedom!
> >> >>> ----- Original Message -----
> >> >>> From: "Will Pearson" <will-pearson@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> >> >>> To: <guispeak@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> >> >>> Sent: Saturday, November 13, 2004 1:06 PM
> >> >>> Subject: [guispeak] Re: Microsoft ebook reader and the *.lit
format.
> >> >>>
> >> >>>
> >> >>>> Darrell;
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> At the end of the day I'm an advocate for accessibility too, the
> > number
> >> >>>> of
> >> >>>> bugs I've reported to Microsoft regarding accessibility of their
> >> >>>> products,
> >> >>>> especially Visual Studio, stands testament to that. However, I
> > believe
> >> >>>> breaking the law is one step too far, especially where there
already
> >> >>>> exists
> >> >>>> a legal method of making something accessible, in this case the
TTS
> >> >>>> plug-in
> >> >>>> for Reader. Whilst it may not be my method of choice, it is legal
> > and
> >> >>>> does
> >> >>>> afford accessibility to the .lit format.
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> Will
> >> >>>> ----- Original Message -----
> >> >>>> From: "Darrell Shandrow" <nu7i@xxxxxxxxxx>
> >> >>>> To: <guispeak@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> >> >>>> Sent: Saturday, November 13, 2004 7:45 PM
> >> >>>> Subject: [guispeak] Re: Microsoft ebook reader and the *.lit
format.
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>>> Hi David,
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>> OK. Possibly true. When it comes to accessibility, I'm not
afraid
> > to
> >> >>>> take
> >> >>>>> liberties with that definition. If I got in to trouble over it,
I
> >> >>>>> would
> >> >>>> not
> >> >>>>> hesitate to use my blindness as a media/public relations tool.
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>> Darrell Shandrow - Shandrow Communications!
> >> >>>>> Technology consultant/instructor, network/systems administrator!
> >> >>>>> A+, CCNA, Network+!
> >> >>>>> Check out high quality telecommunications services at
> >> >>>>> http://ld.net/?nu7i
> >> >>>>> All the best to coalition forces carrying out Operation Iraqi
> > Freedom!
> >> >>>>> ----- Original Message -----
> >> >>>>> From: "david poehlman" <david.poehlman@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> >> >>>>> To: <guispeak@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> >> >>>>> Sent: Saturday, November 13, 2004 12:42 PM
> >> >>>>> Subject: [guispeak] Re: Microsoft ebook reader and the *.lit
> >> >>>>> format.
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>> > You need to read the drm documentation carefully. You cannot
do
> >> >>>> anything
> >> >>>>> > you want with a copy of a book that you purchase that is in
> >> >>>>> > electronic
> >> >>>>> > form
> >> >>>>> > such as reverse engineer it. The book in this instance is a
> >> >>>>> > piece
> >> >>>>> > of
> >> >>>>> > software and in order to accomplish what you want, you'd have
to
> >> >>>>> > reverse
> >> >>>>> > engineer it.
> >> >>>>> >
> >> >>>>> > Johnnie Apple Seed
> >> >>>>> >
> >> >>>>> > ----- Original Message -----
> >> >>>>> > From: "Darrell Shandrow" <nu7i@xxxxxxxxxx>
> >> >>>>> > To: <guispeak@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> >> >>>>> > Sent: Saturday, November 13, 2004 2:07 PM
> >> >>>>> > Subject: [guispeak] Re: Microsoft ebook reader and the *.lit
> > format.
> >> >>>>> >
> >> >>>>> >
> >> >>>>> > Hi Will,
> >> >>>>> >
> >> >>>>> > Hmmm, well, legally, if I purchase a Microsoft E-book file, I
can
> > do
> >> >>>>> > whatever it is I need to do in order to gain access, for my own
> >> >>>>> > personal
> >> >>>>> > use. What probably is not legal is for me to proceed to
> > distribute
> >> >>>>> > that
> >> >>>>> > file to others. I find it amazing that MS Reader does not
permit
> >> >>>>> > printing.
> >> >>>>> > Sighted people love to take on-screen info and send it to our
> >> >>>>> > printers
> >> >>>> at
> >> >>>>> > work right away. My employer spends lots of money on
consumables
> >> >>>>> > for
> >> >>>>> > printers!
> >> >>>>> >
> >> >>>>> > Darrell Shandrow - Shandrow Communications!
> >> >>>>> > Technology consultant/instructor, network/systems
administrator!
> >> >>>>> > A+, CCNA, Network+!
> >> >>>>> > Check out high quality telecommunications services at
> >> >>>> http://ld.net/?nu7i
> >> >>>>> > All the best to coalition forces carrying out Operation Iraqi
> >> >>>>> > Freedom!
> >> >>>>> > ----- Original Message -----
> >> >>>>> > From: "Will Pearson" <will-pearson@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> >> >>>>> > To: <guispeak@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> >> >>>>> > Sent: Saturday, November 13, 2004 11:51 AM
> >> >>>>> > Subject: [guispeak] Re: Microsoft ebook reader and the *.lit
> > format.
> >> >>>>> >
> >> >>>>> >
> >> >>>>> >> Hi;
> >> >>>>> >>
> >> >>>>> >> AFAIK, it doesn't allow printing. As an aside, I doubt the
> >> >>>>> >> legitimacy
> >> >>>> of
> >> >>>>> >> using OCR seeing as the TTS plug-in is provided to make Reader
> >> >>>>> >> accessible.
> >> >>>>> >> I'm not a legal expert, but would imagine that this would only
> >> >>>>> >> be
> >> >>>>> >> permissible in situations where the TTS plug-in offered no
> > output,
> >> >>>>> >> such
> >> >>>>> >> as
> >> >>>>> >> .lit files composed of scanned images. I think this is
slightly
> >> >>>>> >> different
> >> >>>>> >> in the UK, where there is no law governing accessibility of
> > eBooks,
> >> >>>>> >> and
> >> >>>>> >> instead it's left up to the old laws governing photocopying of
> >> >>>>> >> books,
> >> >>>> in
> >> >>>>> >> which OCR, or at least scanning, of a limited portion of a
book
> > is
> >> >>>>> >> allowed.
> >> >>>>> >>
> >> >>>>> >> I am looking into the possibility of getting reader to work
with
> > at
> >> >>>> least
> >> >>>>> >> one of the popular screen readers with a friend from
Microsoft.
> >> >>>>> >> Hopefully
> >> >>>>> >> something will come out of this.
> >> >>>>> >>
> >> >>>>> >> Will
> >> >>>>> >> ----- Original Message -----
> >> >>>>> >> From: "Darrell Shandrow" <nu7i@xxxxxxxxxx>
> >> >>>>> >> To: <guispeak@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> >> >>>>> >> Sent: Saturday, November 13, 2004 6:12 PM
> >> >>>>> >> Subject: [guispeak] Re: Microsoft ebook reader and the *.lit
> >> >>>>> >> format.
> >> >>>>> >>
> >> >>>>> >>
> >> >>>>> >>> Hi Will and all,
> >> >>>>> >>>
> >> >>>>> >>> Does MS Reader permit you to print pages from books? If so,
> >> >>>>> >>> has
> >> >>>> anyone
> >> >>>>> >>> tried this with the virtual printer facilities of K1000 or
> >> >>>>> >>> OpenBook?
> >> >>>>> >>>
> >> >>>>> >>> Darrell Shandrow - Shandrow Communications!
> >> >>>>> >>> Technology consultant/instructor, network/systems
> >> >>>>> >>> administrator!
> >> >>>>> >>> A+, CCNA, Network+!
> >> >>>>> >>> Check out high quality telecommunications services at
> >> >>>>> >>> http://ld.net/?nu7i
> >> >>>>> >>> All the best to coalition forces carrying out Operation Iraqi
> >> >>>>> >>> Freedom!
> >> >>>>> >>> ----- Original Message -----
> >> >>>>> >>> From: "Will Pearson" <will-pearson@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> >> >>>>> >>> To: <guispeak@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> >> >>>>> >>> Sent: Saturday, November 13, 2004 9:03 AM
> >> >>>>> >>> Subject: [guispeak] Re: Microsoft ebook reader and the *.lit
> >> >>>>> >>> format.
> >> >>>>> >>>
> >> >>>>> >>>
> >> >>>>> >>> > Hi;
> >> >>>>> >>> >
> >> >>>>> >>> > I wouldn't like to say at the moment. The legality of this
> >> >>>>> >>> > is
> >> >>>> unsure.
> >> >>>>> >> In
> >> >>>>> >>> > the U.S. legislation exists that states it's legal to
convert
> >> >>>>> >>> > ebooks
> >> >>>>> >>> > to
> >> >>>>> >>> > another format if they are inaccessible, but the big
question
> >> >>>>> >>> > is,
> >> >>>>> >>> > by
> >> >>>>> >>> > providing a TTS plug-in for Reader, is the format
considered
> >> >>>>> >>> > accessible?
> >> >>>>> >>> > I
> >> >>>>> >>> > know in the UK, you can use OCR to store only a part of a
> >> >>>>> >>> > book
> >> >>>>> >>> > on
> >> >>>> your
> >> >>>>> >>> > computer, and this prohibits distribution or alteration of
> >> >>>>> >>> > the
> >> >>>>> >>> > content.
> >> >>>>> >>> > Outside of the UK and US I don't know anything about the
> >> >>>>> >>> > legality
> >> >>>>> >>> > of
> >> >>>>> >> this
> >> >>>>> >>> > sort of situation, and I wouldn't like to offer advice that
> > may
> >> >>>>> >>> > mean
> >> >>>>> >>> > you
> >> >>>>> >>> > break the law and are subsequently open to prosicution.
> >> >>>>> >>> >
> >> >>>>> >>> > I'm currently discussing the point with some folk from MS
UK,
> >> >>>>> >>> > who
> >> >>>>> >>> > I
> >> >>>>> >>> > suspect,
> >> >>>>> >>> > being the format vendor, are in a position to make a
> >> >>>>> >>> > judgement
> >> >>>>> >>> > on
> >> >>>>> >>> > th
> >> >>>> e
> >> >>>>> >>> > legality. I'll post more when I hear something from MS.
> >> >>>>> >>> >
> >> >>>>> >>> > Thanks,
> >> >>>>> >>> >
> >> >>>>> >>> > Will
> >> >>>>> >>> > Microsoft MVP (Visual Studio/VC++)
> >> >>>>> >>> > ----- Original Message -----
> >> >>>>> >>> > From: "Nektarios Mallas" <nmallas@xxxxxxxxx>
> >> >>>>> >>> > To: <guispeak@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> >> >>>>> >>> > Sent: Saturday, November 13, 2004 3:47 PM
> >> >>>>> >>> > Subject: [guispeak] Re: Microsoft ebook reader and the
*.lit
> >> >>>>> >>> > format.
> >> >>>>> >>> >
> >> >>>>> >>> >
> >> >>>>> >>> >> Thanks for this.
> >> >>>>> >>> >> Do you know if there is any other way to extract the text
> > from
> >> >>>>> >>> >> the
> >> >>>>> >> *.lit
> >> >>>>> >>> >> file and read it in other standard programs?
> >> >>>>> >>> >>
> >> >>>>> >>> >> Nektarios.
> >> >>>>> >>> >>
> >> >>>>> >>> >>
> >> >>>>> >>> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> >>>>> >>> >> From: guispeak@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:guispeak@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
> > On
> >> >>>>> >>> >> Behalf
> >> >>>>> >>> >> Of Will Pearson
> >> >>>>> >>> >> Sent: Saturday, November 13, 2004 3:55 PM
> >> >>>>> >>> >> To: guispeak@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >> >>>>> >>> >> Subject: [guispeak] Re: Microsoft ebook reader and the
*.lit
> >> >>>> format.
> >> >>>>> >>> >>
> >> >>>>> >>> >>
> >> >>>>> >>> >> Hi;
> >> >>>>> >>> >>
> >> >>>>> >>> >> Whilst MS Reader isn't supported by any of the screen
> > readers,
> >> >>>> there
> >> >>>>> >>> >> is
> >> >>>>> >>> >> a plug in. Microsoft have provided a text to speech plug
in
> >> >>>>> >>> >> for
> >> >>>>> >>> >> Reader
> >> >>>>> >>> >> that will read aloud the document. It's based on MS SAPI,
> > and
> >> >>>>> >>> >> uses
> >> >>>>> >>> >> the
> >> >>>>> >>> >> standard SAPI synth that ships with Windows. You can find
a
> >> >>>> download
> >> >>>>> >>> >> for this from the Reader downloads page.
> >> >>>>> >>> >>
> >> >>>>> >>> >> Will
> >> >>>>> >>> >> ----- Original Message -----
> >> >>>>> >>> >> From: "Nektarios Mallas" <nmallas@xxxxxxxxx>
> >> >>>>> >>> >> To: <guispeak@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> >> >>>>> >>> >> Sent: Friday, November 12, 2004 6:39 AM
> >> >>>>> >>> >> Subject: [guispeak] Microsoft ebook reader and the *.lit
> >> >>>>> >>> >> format.
> >> >>>>> >>> >>
> >> >>>>> >>> >>
> >> >>>>> >>> >> > Hello list.
> >> >>>>> >>> >> > Is Microsoft ebook reader accessible by screen readers?
Is
> >> >>>>> >>> >> > there
> >> >>>>> >>> >> > any
> >> >>>>> >>> >> > other way to access a *.lit file and extract the text
from
> > it
> >> >>>>> >>> >> > so
> >> >>>>> >>> >> > you
> >> >>>>> >>> >> > can read it with standard applications such as wordpad?
> >> >>>>> >>> >> > Thanks.
> >> >>>>> >>> >> > Nektarios.
> >> >>>>> >>> >> >
> >> >>>>> >>> >> >
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