Charles, Sounds to me like you need a longer harness. My lad isn't forced to sit at the kerb by me, but he will sit down hard if there's an obstacle he can't get around, or a vehicle suddenly shoots in front of us. This is a very clear indication, and is very useful. Vince. ======================================== Message Received: Sep 26 2014, 08:24 PM From: "Charles Rivard" To: guidedogchat@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Cc: Subject: [guidedogchat] Re: kerbs At GDB, they are trained to stop, but they are still standing. I would think that having them sit would possibly be a problem. You are walking, holding the harness handle, and, wouldn't the dog pull the handle out of your hand by sitting down? --- Be positive! When it comes to being defeated, if you think you're finished, you! really! are! finished! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Pam" To: Sent: Friday, September 26, 2014 12:51 PM Subject: [guidedogchat] kerbs hi everyone just wondering how other guide dogs r trained when it comes to kerbs. was told by a friend that the dogs here in ireland used to b trained to sit when they came to a kerb. this was before i got callie so don't know when they changed it or why. but now the dogs r trained to stop at kerbs. so just curious how it works in other countries. thanks :) pam Sent from my iPhone