Have you looked into BDD? Sent to you from the home of the NCAA National Champion Florida Gators. -----Original Message----- From: gptalk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx To: gptalk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent: Thu Mar 22 16:31:43 2007 Subject: [gptalk] Re: [gptalk]Office 2007 and Group Policy Does anyone know if Microsoft has made on progress on being able to push out Office 2007 via group policy? I know you can do it, but you have to use an XML file to customize the install, what tools exist to create this file? If you don’t know the XML language how can you make these customizations? Also, the MSP files do not get installed when you push out through group policy, even though MS says they are supposed to. They only get applied if you manually install Office. If you push out through GPO only the XML file will make changes, nothing else. Has Microsoft done this to force people to have to invest in SMS? Why take away the ability to use MST files so that you can 1) have outlook pre-configured for when people login and 2) have the ability to make the install place icons on the desktop to make the end user use the product with more ease? Does MS really think that end users will be able to setup an outlook profile? Did they take away the ability to put icons in the desktop automatically during an install because they want everyone to have a clean desktop? Who are they to tell me how I want my end users experience to be like. As you can probably tell I am really irritated with this, but I have no ear to talk into at Mircosoft and I am sure some of you do. As of now I will not be installing Office 2007 in my environment until they can fix this. Justin A. Salandra MCSE Windows 2000 & 2003 Network and Technology Services Manager Catholic Healthcare System 646.505.3681 - office 917.455.0110 - cell jasalandra@xxxxxxxxxxx <mailto:jasalandra@xxxxxxxxxxx> ________________________________ From: gptalk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:gptalk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Darren Mar-Elia Sent: Monday, January 29, 2007 5:45 PM To: gptalk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [gptalk] Re: [SPAM] Re: Push out Visio 2007 via Group Policy Justin- Further to this, I was reading some docs. Did you put your MSP files in the Updates folder when you deployed them? They need to be in the folder called “Updates” in order to get picked up. From: gptalk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:gptalk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Salandra, Justin A. Sent: Monday, January 29, 2007 1:25 PM To: gptalk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [gptalk] Re: [SPAM] Re: Push out Visio 2007 via Group Policy Well it works great via Interactive installations, just the Group Policy piece doesn’t work great. Justin A. Salandra MCSE Windows 2000 & 2003 Network and Technology Services Manager Catholic Healthcare System 646.505.3681 - office 917.455.0110 - cell jasalandra@xxxxxxxxxxx <mailto:jasalandra@xxxxxxxxxxx> ________________________________ From: gptalk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:gptalk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Darren Mar-Elia Sent: Monday, January 29, 2007 12:29 PM To: gptalk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [gptalk] Re: [SPAM] Re: Push out Visio 2007 via Group Policy All very good questions Justin and I don’t yet have any good answers. My understanding of how MSPs are supposed to work in the context of Office 2007 GP is that you first install what you want using the Office 2007 bits with a custom config.xml, then you apply MSPs to further customize the install. However, I know that you’re not the only one who hasn’t been able to make this work. I have told the Group Policy product team about this issue and they agreed to talk with the Office product team. Hopefully we will all get some better guidance on this in the future because as it stands right now, the Office team really screwed this up. From: gptalk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:gptalk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Salandra, Justin A. Sent: Monday, January 29, 2007 9:18 AM To: gptalk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [gptalk] Re: [SPAM] Re: Push out Visio 2007 via Group Policy I don’t want to have to make programming changes to config.xml to do everything, I should be able to use the Office Customization Tool. How will you pre-configure Outlook to use your exchange server and the currently logged in user when they double click on it? Justin A. Salandra MCSE Windows 2000 & 2003 Network and Technology Services Manager Catholic Healthcare System 646.505.3681 - office 917.455.0110 - cell jasalandra@xxxxxxxxxxx <mailto:jasalandra@xxxxxxxxxxx> ________________________________ From: gptalk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:gptalk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of tools@xxxxxxxxxx Sent: Monday, January 29, 2007 11:17 AM To: gptalk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [SPAM] [gptalk] Re: Push out Visio 2007 via Group Policy Importance: Low Justin- What are you trying to customize exactly? I did manage to install Office 2007 via GP using a config.xml file that excluded all apps except Powerpoint, Excel, Word and Outlook. I’ve attached the file below so you can see what it looks like: - <Configuration Product="Ultimater"> - <!-- <Display Level="full" CompletionNotice="yes" SuppressModal="no" AcceptEula="no" /> --> - <!-- <Logging Type="standard" Path="%temp%" Template="Microsoft Office Ultimate Setup(*).txt" /> --> <PIDKEY Value="####-####-#####-#####-#####" /> <USERNAME Value="User" /> <COMPANYNAME Value="SDM Softwware" /> - <!-- <INSTALLLOCATION Value="%programfiles%\Microsoft Office" /> --> - <!-- <LIS CACHEACTION="CacheOnly" /> --> - <!-- <SOURCELIST Value="\\server1\share\Office12;\\server2\share\Office12" /> --> - <!-- <DistributionPoint Location="\\server\share\Office12" /> --> <OptionState Id="AccessFiles" State="absent" Children="force" /> <OptionState Id="GrooveFiles" State="absent" Children="force" /> <OptionState Id="PubPrimary" State="absent" Children="force" /> <OptionState Id="OneNoteFiles" State="absent" Children="force" /> <OptionState Id="XDOCSFiles" State="absent" Children="force" /> - <!-- <Setting Id="Reboot" Value="IfNeeded" /> --> - <!-- <Command Path="msiexec.exe" Args="/i \\server\share\my.msi" QuietArg="/q" ChainPosition="after" Execute="install" /> --> </Configuration> From: gptalk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:gptalk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Salandra, Justin A. Sent: Monday, January 29, 2007 7:21 AM To: gptalk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [gptalk] Re: Push out Visio 2007 via Group Policy I will try that when the restore finishes. Justin A. Salandra MCSE Windows 2000 & 2003 Network and Technology Services Manager Catholic Healthcare System 646.505.3681 - office 917.455.0110 - cell jasalandra@xxxxxxxxxxx <mailto:jasalandra@xxxxxxxxxxx> ________________________________ From: gptalk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:gptalk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Darren Mar-Elia Sent: Monday, January 29, 2007 10:05 AM To: gptalk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [gptalk] Re: Push out Visio 2007 via Group Policy Since you didn’t do an admin install in the first place, how about just using the msiexec <package location> /p <patch location) form of the command? From: gptalk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:gptalk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Salandra, Justin A. Sent: Monday, January 29, 2007 6:58 AM To: gptalk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [gptalk] Re: Push out Visio 2007 via Group Policy I tried the msiexec /a /p command and was unable to re-deploy the application. Got a MsiDatabaseCall failure. Justin A. Salandra MCSE Windows 2000 & 2003 Network and Technology Services Manager Catholic Healthcare System 646.505.3681 - office 917.455.0110 - cell jasalandra@xxxxxxxxxxx <mailto:jasalandra@xxxxxxxxxxx> ________________________________ From: gptalk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:gptalk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Salandra, Justin A. Sent: Sunday, January 28, 2007 8:00 PM To: gptalk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [gptalk] Re: Push out Visio 2007 via Group Policy I agree that is how it worked. I have done it many times. I cannpt figure out how to apply the .msp to the network installation point, (the area where we copied the install files to) Would it be done using the msiexec command? If so, would you still use the /a command? Msiexec /a \\server\share\visio\visiopro.ww\visioww.msi <file:///\\server\share\visio\visiopro.ww\visioww.msi> /p \\server\share\visio\updates\file.msp ________________________________ From: gptalk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:gptalk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Darren Mar-Elia Sent: Friday, January 26, 2007 3:05 PM To: gptalk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [gptalk] Re: Push out Visio 2007 via Group Policy Normally, the way it works prior to Office 2007 is this. Let’s say you want to deploy Office 2003 via GP. You create an admin install point, create any MSTs and then deploy the package. Then, along comes a path. You patch the install point using msiexec /p with the .msp file and then you issue a re-deploy. That is what I was told is the proper order for these Office 2007 msps, but again, I haven’t tried it. From: gptalk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:gptalk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Salandra, Justin A. Sent: Friday, January 26, 2007 11:54 AM To: gptalk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [gptalk] Re: Push out Visio 2007 via Group Policy Since you can’t add an .msp to a GPO, how do you get it to run automatically? I am not sure I understand this “needs to get applied after the initial install and then you do a re-deploy on the package in GP to get your previously installed clients to pick it up.“ The initial install is via GPO, so you are saying apply the policy, then run the .msp and then re-deploy the policy? That sounds wired. There has got to be a better way. Justin A. Salandra MCSE Windows 2000 & 2003 Network and Technology Services Manager Catholic Healthcare System 646.505.3681 - office 917.455.0110 - cell jasalandra@xxxxxxxxxxx <mailto:jasalandra@xxxxxxxxxxx> ________________________________ From: gptalk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:gptalk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Darren Mar-Elia Sent: Friday, January 26, 2007 1:49 PM To: gptalk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [gptalk] Re: Push out Visio 2007 via Group Policy What I just learned is that the MSP needs to get applied after the initial install and then you do a re-deploy on the package in GP to get your previously installed clients to pick it up. I know it sounds hokey. I was just on a call with the MS GP team and they are going to try and get the Office team to document this better. I will post something here when I find it out. Also, just in case, because I don’t know if you mentioned it, but Office 2007 does not support per-user Software Installation at all. Just so you know. From: gptalk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:gptalk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Salandra, Justin A. Sent: Friday, January 26, 2007 10:12 AM To: gptalk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [gptalk] Re: Push out Visio 2007 via Group Policy When modifying the config.xml I was able to enter in the license info, however the .msp that I created and placed in the Updates folder did nothing. When I ran the .msp manually it appeared to do what I wanted, like placing the icon on the desktop. Is there a way to run the msiexec command to update the VisProWW.msi file with the updates from the .msp. Apparently, all the statements from Microsoft that anything in this folder will be installed and applied during initial install is false. Unless this statement is if installing it manually and not via Group Policy. Justin A. Salandra MCSE Windows 2000 & 2003 Network and Technology Services Manager Catholic Healthcare System 646.505.3681 - office 917.455.0110 - cell jasalandra@xxxxxxxxxxx <mailto:jasalandra@xxxxxxxxxxx> ________________________________ From: gptalk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:gptalk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Darren Mar-Elia Sent: Friday, January 26, 2007 10:36 AM To: gptalk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [gptalk] Re: Push out Visio 2007 via Group Policy Right. If you go to the archive for this list, Michael Pietrzak had posted some items about this. I don’t believe the .msp buys you anything in terms of customization. I hope to test some of this today, however. From: gptalk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:gptalk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Salandra, Justin A. Sent: Friday, January 26, 2007 7:31 AM To: gptalk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [gptalk] Re: Push out Visio 2007 via Group Policy What about using the setup.exe /admin switch to create the .msp file? I read that if you leave the .msp file in the Updates folder of the folder structure on the network share that it will apply it during installation. I am not sure I believe this works, because an installation of Visio 2007 pushed out but once I opened the product it asked me for the CD Key which I had already put in the .msp file that I created. Justin A. Salandra MCSE Windows 2000 & 2003 Network and Technology Services Manager Catholic Healthcare System 646.505.3681 - office 917.455.0110 - cell jasalandra@xxxxxxxxxxx <mailto:jasalandra@xxxxxxxxxxx> ________________________________ From: gptalk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:gptalk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Darren Mar-Elia Sent: Thursday, January 25, 2007 4:50 PM To: gptalk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [gptalk] Re: Push out Visio 2007 via Group Policy Good question Justin. Actually it is possible to deploy Office 2007 through GP but it has completely changed. You no longer create an admin install point. You just copy the CD bits to the share. And, it no longer supports transforms. You have a file called config.xml that support minimal customization that you put in the install directory along with the bits. Really a step back actually. MS used to have a technet article describing this but the pulled it recently. However, thanks to the wonders of Google, you can still find it cached at http://209.85.165.104/search?q=cache:kLaHkfhp8PoJ:technet2.microsoft.com/Office/en-us/library/efd0ee45-9605-42d3-9798-3b698fff3e081033.mspx+config.xml+office+2007+"Group+Policy"&hl=en&gl=us&ct=clnk&cd=1 <http://209.85.165.104/search?q=cache:kLaHkfhp8PoJ:technet2.microsoft.com/Office/en-us/library/efd0ee45-9605-42d3-9798-3b698fff3e081033.mspx+config.xml+office+2007+%22Group+Policy%22&hl=en&gl=us&ct=clnk&cd=1> Darren From: gptalk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:gptalk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Salandra, Justin A. Sent: Thursday, January 25, 2007 11:26 AM To: gptalk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [gptalk] Push out Visio 2007 via Group Policy Does anyone know who the Office 2007 products can be pushed out via group policy? How do you create an administrative installation point? How to you include customizations? Justin A. Salandra MCSE Windows 2000 & 2003 Network and Technology Services Manager Catholic Healthcare System 646.505.3681 - office 917.455.0110 - cell jasalandra@xxxxxxxxxxx <mailto:jasalandra@xxxxxxxxxxx> CONFIDENTIALITY STATEMENT: The information transmitted, or contained or attached to or with this Notice is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain Protected Health Information (PHI), confidential and/or privileged material. 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